What would the temperature limit of heating metal block?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermal behavior of a metal block in contact with a heating element and the surrounding environment. Participants explore how the temperature of the metal block relates to that of the heating element and the surroundings, considering factors such as heat transfer and system conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the metal block will reach the same temperature as the heating element or a steady temperature between the heating element and the surroundings, suggesting that this might depend on system conditions like heat capacity and surface area.
  • Another participant indicates that the temperature of the metal block will vary between the heater's surface temperature and the surroundings, with the shape of the temperature distribution determined by conduction theory.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about whether the average temperature of the metal block will always be lower than that of the heater and inquires about the relationship between the rate of thermal energy transfer and the temperature difference between the block's surface and the surroundings.
  • It is stated that the average temperature of the metal block will be less than that of the heater unless certain conditions, such as insulation or enclosure, are met. Additionally, the rate of heat transfer is described as proportional to the temperature difference between the hot and cold surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the temperature of the metal block will not exceed that of the heating element under normal conditions, but there is no consensus on the exact relationship between the temperatures or the influence of various factors on heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention factors such as heat capacity, surface area, and insulation, but do not fully resolve how these factors quantitatively affect the temperature of the metal block or the heat transfer rates.

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I have this problem and it's something that's been annoying me all day that I just can't get my head around.

Imagine a metal block, in direct thermal contact with a heating element and "the surroundings"; but the heater and "the surroundings" are not in direct thermal contact. (I'm supposing also that the surroundings will remain at a constant temperature). The heater is turned on with a constant potential difference and constant current running through it. The effect is to heat the block.

My question is: will the block reach the same temperature as the heating element, or will it reach a steady temperature somewhere in between the temperature of the surroundings and the heating element, due to constant heating of "the surroundings" by the metal block? Or alternately, would this depend on the conditions of the system, like the heat capacity of the metal block and its surface area?

I will happily accept a condescending response because I think I may just be over-thinking this problem and missing a blindingly obvious answer!
 
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Depending on the arrangement, the temperature of the metal block will vary between the surface temperature of the heater and the surroundings. The shape of the distribution can be determined from conduction theory. The temperature within the metal block could vary in 1, 2, or 3 dimensions depending on the layout.
 
aaah thank you very much! So the average temperature of the metal block will never be as high as the temperature of the heater? Also, does the rate at thermal energy is transferred by heating from the block (in a simplified way) increase as the temperature difference between its surface and the surroundings increases (is it proportional?)?
 
The average temperature of the metal block will always be less than the heater surface unless the block's surface is insulated or the box is totally enclosed in the heater.

The heat transfer rate is proporational to the temperature difference between the hot and cold surfaces. So, as time passes and the block heats up, the rate of heat transfer from the heater to the block decreases and the rate of heat transfer from the block to the surroundings increases. After much time has passed, the block will exactly pass the heater power to the surroundings.
 

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