What's causing the "spooky action at a distance?"

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of quantum entanglement and the concept of "spooky action at a distance." Participants explore the implications of entanglement in quantum mechanics, questioning the nature of information transfer and causality in relation to relativistic quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the mechanisms behind quantum entanglement, stating that there is no consensus on whether anything is actually happening that requires a cause.
  • It is noted that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit useful information, as emphasized by multiple participants.
  • A participant discusses the lack of "spooky action at a distance" in relativistic local QFT, explaining that correlations arise from local interactions rather than faster-than-light influences.
  • Questions are raised about how particles become naturally entangled, with examples provided, such as electrons in the same atomic shell and the hydrogen atom's energy-eigenstates.
  • References to external articles are made to support claims about natural entanglement and its implications.

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Participants generally agree that there is no established understanding of the mechanisms behind quantum entanglement and that it cannot facilitate faster-than-light communication. However, multiple competing interpretations and explanations remain, indicating that the discussion is unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on various interpretations of quantum mechanics and the unresolved nature of the underlying assumptions regarding causality and information transfer in entangled systems.

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"Quantum Entanglement and the transfer of information."
If information can't be transferred faster than light speed, what's going on in quantum entanglement? What's causing the, "spooky action at a distance?"
 
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Nobody knows. We don't even know that anything is actually happening that needs to be caused. Different interpretations of QM tell different stories about this, but there is no generally accepted answer.
 
And in any event, @Simple man quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit any useful information
 
phinds said:
And in any event, @Simple man quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit any useful information
"Thanks phinds, for your reply!"
 
PeterDonis said:
Nobody knows. We don't even know that anything is actually happening that needs to be caused. Different interpretations of QM tell different stories about this, but there is no generally accepted answer.
Thanks, Mr. Donis!
Aside from being entangled artificially, how do particles become entangled naturally? I've been reading the article that you sent me, by Susskind. Thanks, it's very informative! Is Microreversability the same as Quantum Determinism?
 
There is no spooky interaction at a distance in relativistic local QFT. This is built in by construction, leading to the validity of the linked-cluster theorem. The entanglement of observables of far-distant parts of a quantum system does not enable causal faster-than light interactions (that misconception of some early Copenhagen-flavor interpretations was rightfully criticized by Einstein as "spooky action at a distance") but are long-range correlations between far-distant parts of a quantum system caused by its preparation by (usually some local) process (e.g., the preparation of a polarization-entangled photon pair by parametric down conversion using a BBO) and then waiting until the system has propagated long enough such that you can measure the photons' polarization state far away from their source and far away from each other. There's nothing acting spooky at a distance but just local interactions between the measurement device (polarization filter + photodetector) at each of the places. The observed 100% correlations of completely indetermined observables (i.e., completely unpolarized single photons) is there due to the preparation at the very beginning, and measuring the polarization of A's photon let's A immediately know what B will find (or maybe already has found) when measuring his photon's polarization (with his polarizer directed in the same direction as A's), but she cannot transmit information to B by some faster-than-light mechanism. Even to check, whether the predicted 100% correlation really describes the findings of the experiment right, A and B have to exchange information about their measurement afterwards, and this they can't do with any faster-than-light signal. So, by construction of QED as a relativistic microcausal QFT there's no violation of causality by any "spooky action at a distance"!
 
Simple man said:
Thanks, Mr. Donis!
Aside from being entangled artificially, how do particles become entangled naturally?

An example of "natural" entanglement would be 2 electrons in the same atomic shell. One is spin up, the other is spin down, but otherwise they are indistinguishable. They are entangled.
 
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