What's the difference between Δ and d in physics ?

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between the symbols Δ (delta) and d in physics, particularly in the context of acceleration. Δ represents a finite change, as in average acceleration (a = Δv/Δt), while d denotes an instantaneous rate of change, such as acceleration (a = dv/dt). The relationship between the two is established through calculus, where the limit of Δ as time approaches zero yields the instantaneous rate. The notation d²x/dt² is confirmed as the second derivative of position with respect to time, while Δ² has no standard meaning in this context.

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Is the acceleration : a=Δv/Δt equivalent to a=dv/dt ??
Anx what's the difference between Δ and d and can i use Δ when i want ?
a=d2x / dt2
Can we write the same using Δ ?
 
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Peter25samaha said:
Is the acceleration : a=Δv/Δt equivalent to a=dv/dt ??
Anx what's the difference between Δ and d and can i use Δ when i want ?
a=dx/dt
Can we write the same using Δ ?

##\Delta## usually represents a finite change in something. So, technically:

Average Acceleration = ##\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}##

Where ##\Delta t## is some finite (not necessarily small) period of time.

##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## denotes the derivative of velocity with respect to time. This gives the instantaneous acceleration.

The two are related by:

##\frac{dv}{dt} = \lim_{\Delta t \rightarrow 0} \frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}##
 
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PeroK said:
##\Delta## usually represents a finite change in something. So, technically:

Average Acceleration = ##\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}##Where ##\Delta t## is some finite (not necessarily small) period of time.
##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## denotes the derivative of velocity with respect to time. This gives the instantaneous acceleration.
The two are related by:

##\frac{dv}{dt} = \lim_{\Delta t \rightarrow 0} \frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}##
a=d2x/dt2 and here what does it mean the : d2x
Shoudn't be :dx2 ?
 
Peter25samaha said:
a=d2x/dt2 and here what does it mean the : d2x
Shoudn't be :dx2 ?

##\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{dx}{dt}) = \frac{dv}{dt}##

The notation is probably because you can view ##\frac{d}{dt}## as the differential operator, hence ##\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d}{dt} = \frac{d^2}{dt^2}## but I wouldn't read too much into the notation. Other notations for acceleration include:

##x''## and ##\ddot{x}##
 
Peter25samaha said:
Is the acceleration : a=Δv/Δt equivalent to a=dv/dt ??
These will have identical values if velocity vs. time graph is a straight line (around the region of interest), otherwise Δv/Δt is an approximation to the exact slope of the tangent, dv/dt.
 
Peter25samaha said:
a=d2x/dt2 and here what does it mean the : d2x
Shoudn't be :dx2 ?
The trouble you are having is this is calculus notation. If you haven't studied calculus yet, you're going to be understandably confused.
 
NascentOxygen said:
These will have identical values if velocity vs. time graph is a straight line (around the region of interest), otherwise Δv/Δt is an approximation to the exact slope of the tangent, dv/dt.
Yes and if i am using a 3D graph with x y and z i will put vector on each one and i have to write it like this : dv/dt right ?
 
PeroK said:
##\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{dx}{dt}) = \frac{dv}{dt}##

The notation is probably because you can view ##\frac{d}{dt}## as the differential operator, hence ##\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d}{dt} = \frac{d^2}{dt^2}## but I wouldn't read too much into the notation. Other notations for acceleration include:

##x''## and ##\ddot{x}##
Okay but this :
a=d2x/dt2
Can be equal to delta squared if velocity and time graph is a straight light ?
a=Δ2x/dt2
Those two acceleration are equal ?
 
Peter25samaha said:
Okay but this :
a=d2x/dt2
Can be equal to delta squared if velocity and time graph is a straight light ?
a=Δ2x/dt2
Those two acceleration are equal ?
Generally, one doesn't mix Δ and d notation in the same expression.
 
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Peter25samaha said:
Okay but this :
a=d2x/dt2
Can be equal to delta squared if velocity and time graph is a straight light ?
a=Δ2x/dt2
Those two acceleration are equal ?

First ##\Delta^2## has no obvious meaning that I can see. ##(\Delta x)^2## has the obvious meaning.

Second, as Steam King points out, ##\frac{\Delta}{d}## is meaningless.

Third, you should be able to see for yourself why ##a \ne \frac{(\Delta x)^2}{(\Delta t)^2}##

More generally, you seem to be just groping in the dark here. You seem to be struggling to understand what is going on with time and distance and motion. This material should make sense. Are you learning calculus?
 
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PeroK said:
First ##\Delta^2## has no obvious meaning that I can see. ##(\Delta x)^2## has the obvious meaning.

Second, as Steam King points out, ##\frac{\Delta}{d}## is meaningless.Third, you should be able to see for yourself why ##a \ne \frac{(\Delta x)^2}{(\D

elta
t)^2}##

More generally, you seem to be just groping

in the dark here. You seem to be struggling to understand what is going on with time
and distance and motion. This material
should make sense. Are you learning calculus?

Yes i am learning but i only want to know when i use d and when i use Δ if i have to calculate the velocity or acceleration
 
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Peter25samaha said:
Yes i am learning but i only want to know when i use d and when i use Δ if i have to calculate the velocity or acceleration
Hopefully that was answered in post #2.
 
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PeroK said:
Hopefully that was answered in post #2.
Okay sorry i haven't seen this
 

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