What's the integral of a unit vector?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of unit vectors, specifically the unit vector in cylindrical coordinates, denoted as phi hat. Participants explore the implications of integrating a unit vector and the behavior of these vectors during integration.

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  • Participants question how unit vectors behave during integration, particularly in relation to their constancy and direction. There are attempts to clarify the definition of the integral being calculated and the implications of integrating unit vectors along a curve.

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The discussion includes various perspectives on the nature of unit vectors during integration, with some participants suggesting expressing the unit vector in Cartesian coordinates. There is a recognition of the changing direction of unit vectors along curves, and some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical representation of these vectors.

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Participants note the need for clearer definitions and examples, indicating that the original poster's description may lack specificity. There is also mention of the assumption that unit vectors are constant in magnitude but can change direction based on their position in a coordinate system.

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Determine the integral of phi hat with respect to phi.
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So I'm trying to figure out the integral of phi hat with respect to phi in cylindrical coordinates. My assumption was that the unit vector would just pass through my integral... is that correct? (I reached this point in life without ever thinking about how vectors go through integrals, and google wasn't the best help).
 
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You'll need to define the integral you want to calculate. The polar unit vectors are functions of position, so you can integrate a unit vector along a curve.
 
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PeroK said:
You'll need to define the integral you want to calculate. The polar unit vectors are functions of position, so you can integrate a unit vector along a curve.

If I perform a line integral in the direction of my unit vector, then what happens to the unit vector?
 
MaestroBach said:
If I perform a line integral in the direction of my unit vector, then what happens to the unit vector?

Please state your example mathematically. What you've written is too vague.
 
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Try expressing the unit vector in Cartesian coordinates but expressing its components in terms of φ.
 
MaestroBach said:
If I perform a line integral in the direction of my unit vector, then what happens to the unit vector?
NOTHING happens to the unit vector. The unit vector in a given direction is a constant vector and doesn't change.
 
Do you mean you are integrating a vector field with constant length 1? If so, what is the direction given? Is it constant?
 
HallsofIvy said:
NOTHING happens to the unit vector. The unit vector in a given direction is a constant vector and doesn't change.
No, the direction of ##\hat\theta## changes along the curve.

Since the thread appears to have fizzled out, here's my answer, using my hint in post #5.
##\hat\phi=-\sin(\phi)\hat x+\cos(\phi)\hat y##
Since ##\hat x## and ##\hat y## are constant we can integrate immediately:
##\int\hat\phi.d\phi=[\cos(\phi)\hat x+\sin(\phi)\hat y]=\Delta\cos(\phi)\hat x+\Delta\sin(\phi)\hat y=\Delta \hat r##
 
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I believe something that relates to this thread: If I say that the integral of a constant in magnitude and tangential in direction vector along a closed curve is zero, am I correct?
 
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Delta2 said:
I believe something that relates to this thread: If I say that the integral of a constant in magnitude and tangential in direction vector along a closed curve is zero, am I correct?
And more generally, the integral of the unit tangential vector along a smooth path is the displacement from start to finish.
 
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