What's the reason for differentiating?

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The problem involves optimizing the dimensions of a closed cylinder to achieve a specific volume while minimizing the surface area. The subject area relates to calculus, specifically differentiation in the context of optimization problems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the steps needed to solve the problem, including substituting values and differentiating the area formula. There is a focus on the correctness of differentiation and the implications of the results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the correctness of their differentiation and exploring how to proceed to find the radius. Some participants are also checking assumptions made during the setup of the equations.

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There are indications of potential mistakes in the initial setup, particularly regarding the expression for height and its implications for differentiation. Participants are navigating these uncertainties as they work through the problem.

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Homework Statement



A closed cylinder is required to have a volume of 40m^3 but made with the minimum amount of material. Determine the radius and height the cylinder must have to meet such a requirement.

V= πr^2h

Steps needed:

a) Insert value and transpose for h
b) Then sub into the area formula
c) Then differentiate

Homework Equations



V= πr^2h

The Attempt at a Solution



V= πr^2h
40= πr^2h
40/h= πr^2
h=πr^2/40

A= 2πrh+2πr^2 Subbing in h= πr^2/40
A= 2πr(πr^2/40)+2πr^2
 
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Thepiman12 said:

Homework Statement



A closed cylinder is required to have a volume of 40m^3 but made with the minimum amount of material. Determine the radius and height the cylinder must have to meet such a requirement.

V= πr^2h

Steps needed:

a) Insert value and transpose for h
b) Then sub into the area formula
c) Then differentiate

Homework Equations



V= πr^2h

The Attempt at a Solution



V= πr^2h
40= πr^2h
40/h= πr^2
h=πr^2/40

A= 2πrh+2πr^2 Subbing in h= πr^2/40
A= 2πr(πr^2/40)+2πr^2
What's your question?


Now you need to do step c.
c) Then differentiate.​
Then a little bit more.
 
I expanded the brackets and got 2πr^2+80r^-1

And differentiated that to 4πr-80r^-2 Is that correct?

After that how would I go on to find the radius r?
 
Thepiman12 said:
I expanded the brackets and got 2πr^2+80r^-1

And differentiated that to 4πr-80r^-2 Is that correct?

After that how would I go on to find the radius r?
The answer to that is related to "What is the reason for differentiating?" .

When you solved

V = 2πr2h

for h, you made a mistake.

What you have is actually 1/h .
 

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