Minimizing Surface Area in Tin Can Design: A Mathematical Analysis

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around minimizing the surface area of a cylindrical can while enclosing a fixed volume. Participants explore the relationship between the radius and height of the can, and how these dimensions affect the surface area.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to derive a function for the surface area in terms of the radius and height, and discuss the implications of increasing the radius on surface area and height. There are questions about the differentiation process and the interpretation of results related to specific parts of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on differentiating the surface area function and have noted the importance of expressing the surface area in terms of a single variable. There is ongoing clarification regarding the answers to specific parts of the homework, particularly concerning the relationship between the radius and the surface area as it approaches zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of a fixed volume for the can, which influences their calculations and reasoning. There is some confusion regarding the labeling of answers to different parts of the problem, indicating a need for clearer understanding of the questions posed.

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Homework Statement


Is minimiznig the area of tin used to make a can an important factor?
Suppose a manufacturer wishes to enclose a fixed volume,V, using a cylindrical can.
The height of the cylinder is denoted by h, and the radius of the cylinder can section by r.
i)Write a function for the surface area of the can.
ii)Determine what happens to the surface area as the radius increases.
iii)Determine what happens as the radius tends to zero.
iv)Find the values of r which minimizes the surface area.
v)Consider an alternative tin shape, with justifications, does your result support the argument that minimizing surface area is a key factor in the design of tin cans?

Homework Equations


Volume = πr^2h

The Attempt at a Solution



i)Surface Area = 2πr2 + 2πrh = 2πr(r+h)
ii)The surface area increases and the height decreases as the radius increases.

Confused about the rest.
 
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The answer is 42.
 
care to explain how you arrived at 42? thanks
 
WiseGuy1995 said:

Homework Statement


Is minimiznig the area of tin used to make a can an important factor?
Suppose a manufacturer wishes to enclose a fixed volume,V, using a cylindrical can.
The height of the cylinder is denoted by h, and the radius of the cylinder can section by r.
i)Write a function for the surface area of the can.
ii)Determine what happens to the surface area as the radius increases.
iii)Determine what happens as the radius tends to zero.
iv)Find the values of r which minimizes the surface area.
v)Consider an alternative tin shape, with justifications, does your result support the argument that minimizing surface area is a key factor in the design of tin cans?

Homework Equations


Volume = πr^2h


The Attempt at a Solution



i)Surface Area = 2πr2 + 2πrh = 2πr(r+h)
ii)The surface area increases and the height decreases as the radius increases.

Confused about the rest.

You also know that the volume V is fixed, so you can solve for r as a function of h and the fixed V.
 
do you mean like 2πr^2 + 2πr(V ÷ πr^2) and differentiate?
 
WiseGuy1995 said:
do you mean like 2πr^2 + 2πr(V ÷ πr^2) and differentiate?

Yes, now you have the surface area in terms of the single variable r. Now you can minimize it using derivatives.
 
when i did the differentiation i got r^3 = 2V/4π

Is this correct?
 
WiseGuy1995 said:
when i did the differentiation i got r^3 = 2V/4π

Is this correct?

That agrees with what I got as the answer to iv). Though you haven't actually solved for r yet.
 
Dick said:
That agrees with what I got as the answer to iv).

iv) i thought i was answering iii) :confused:
so how do i get the answer for iii) ?
 
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WiseGuy1995 said:
iv) i thought i was answering iii) :confused:
so how do i get the answer for iii) ?

You gave an answer to a question. If the question is "iii)Determine what happens as the radius tends to zero." I don't think "r^3 = 2V/4π" makes much sense as an answer. If the question is "iv)Find the values of r which minimizes the surface area." Then I think it does. Are you trying to confuse me?
 
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yea sorry about that i now understood that i actually answered iv)
not trying to confuse you , just a lapse in concentration on my part.
thanks for your help btw
 
  • #12
WiseGuy1995 said:
care to explain how you arrived at 42? thanks

When I responded to the OP, it was just the blank homework form. You must have come back and filled it in later.
 

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