Surface area of a solid of revolution

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The discussion revolves around deriving the formula for the surface area of a cone, particularly through the application of integration methods learned for solids of revolution. The original poster attempts to relate the surface area of a cone to the known formula for the curved surface area of a cylinder.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration methods for finding the surface area, questioning the appropriateness of applying cylinder formulas to a cone. There is an exploration of whether single-variable integration can be used effectively in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into the nature of the problem, suggesting that the surface area of a cone involves more complexity than that of a cylinder. There is an ongoing exploration of the integration approach, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the challenge of applying integration techniques to a solid of revolution, with specific focus on the assumptions and definitions related to surface area calculations. The original poster's method raises questions about the integration process and the geometric properties involved.

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Homework Statement


Having recently learned the disk/shell/washer method for finding the volume of a solid of revolution, I'm trying to apply similar methods to derive the formula for the surface area of a cone (and hopefully after that, that of a sphere).
The region that is revolved around to form the cone is that under f(x) = (r/h)x from 0 to h, where r is the radius of the base and h is the height of the cone (both are constants).

Homework Equations


Since V = πr^2h for a cylinder, the volume of the cone is ∫ π[f(x)]^2 dx from 0 to h. When I evaluate that, I get V = πr^2h/3,which is correct.

The Attempt at a Solution


I reasoned that since A = 2πrh for the curved surface of a cylinder, evaluating ∫ 2πf(x) dx from 0 to h should result in an expression for the area of the curved surface of the cone (everything but the base). But instead of getting πrs (s being √(r^2 + h^2), I think it's called the lateral height), I get πrh as the area of the curved surface.

Is my method wrong, or am I just integrating wrong?
 
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hi newageanubis! :smile:
newageanubis said:
I reasoned that since A = 2πrh for the curved surface of a cylinder …

yes, but the surface of a cone is sloping, so it's a lot more than that, isn't it? :wink:
 
Oh. Now I feel dumb :(.

Can this "problem" be solved with single-variable integration, though?
 
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you'd be surprised how often people ask the same thing on this forum! :biggrin:
newageanubis said:
Can this "problem" be solved with single-variable integration, though?

not following you, this is a single ∫, isn't it? :confused:
 
If a curve is given by y= f(x), then a "differential of arc length" is given by ds= \sqrt{(dx)^2+ (dy)^2}= \sqrt{1+ (dy/dx)^2}dx.

And it is the arclength, rotated around an axis, that will give you a surface area.

In the case of the cone, say y= ax, rotated around the y- axis, the circumference of a small section would be 2\pi x so that it area would be 2\pi x\sqrt{1+ (dy/dx)^2}dr. Of course, in this example, dy/dx= a so that would be 2\pi x\sqrt{1+ a^2}dx. The area from the coordinate plane up to y= aR, so that x= R, would be \pi \int_0^R x\sqrt{1+ a^2}dx= \pi R^2\sqrt{1+ a^2}/2.
 

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