What's Wrong with My Electrostatic Equilibrium Calculation?

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The problem involves three identical small spheres suspended from a common point, each carrying an equal charge. The spheres reach electrostatic equilibrium at the corners of an equilateral triangle. The objective is to derive a specific equation relating the charge, gravitational force, and the dimensions of the setup.

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  • Participants discuss the geometry of the setup, including the relationships between the sides of the triangle and the height of the spheres. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of various angles and forces involved, particularly the tension and electrostatic forces.

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Some participants have raised questions about the relationships between the dimensions of the triangle and the angles involved. Others have provided insights into the forces acting on the spheres and the geometry of the problem. There appears to be ongoing exploration of the correct relationships and assumptions, with some participants indicating they have found their answers.

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This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

Homework Statement



Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses
and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres
and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle
whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


Homework Equations



F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I see this problem is as follows:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.
 
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No time to read it all, but you should have d = \sqrt{3} w and not w = \sqrt{3} d
 
jfierro said:
This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

Homework Statement



Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses
and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres
and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle
whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


Homework Equations



F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I see this problem is as follows:

[PLAIN]http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.

not understand how you get d=(3)^(1/2)
 
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w=d(3)^(1/2)
 
w is not d*(3^1/2)
its d/(3^1/2)

in the picture youre looking at the pyramid from the top..
 

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got the solution...thanks
 
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Again looking at the pyramid from the top we see that the horizontal component of the force due to the two charges gets canceled out...
 

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in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg
 

saadqureshi said:
in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg
gr8 work qureshi...
 
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thank you inti
 
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Thanks, I got my answer..
 
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Suggestion, its better to use (I) and (IV) in equation labelling than (1) (4) for it looks like it is a scalar multiplication
 

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