What's Wrong with this Argument? Understanding the Physics of Work

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to the concept of work, specifically examining the implications of applying a horizontal force to a block and the resulting distance moved. The original poster questions the validity of a teacher's argument regarding the relationship between force, work, and distance.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of the teacher's calculation of distance based on work done and force applied. They express confusion about the neglect of factors such as friction and gravity in the scenario. Other participants discuss the nature of the resultant force and its components.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the nuances of the argument presented by the teacher, with some suggesting that the teacher's explanation may have lacked clarity. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the forces at play in the scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need to consider additional forces, such as friction and gravity, even in a horizontal motion context, which may not have been adequately addressed in the original problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Our teacher made an unconvincing argument based on this example:
If a horizontal force of 15 N were a applied to a 2 kg block, and the work done was 20 J, what distance did the object move?

2. The attempt at a solution
Using W=F*d the teacher solved this: 20 J=15 N*x -> x=4/3 m.
This implied that if I applied 15 N to an object of any mass and did 20 J of work, the distance I could move the object is always the same. There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with this statement. But I'm not seeing what it is, I know it's there - I'm think that somehow I need to do something with the weight of the object. I mean if it were to be realistic I would have to calculate friction and gravity too...

Can somebody please tell me what I missed out?
 
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Riddl3r said:
2. The attempt at a solution
Using W=F*d the teacher solved this: 20 J=15 N*x -> x=4/3 m.
This implied that if I applied 15 N to an object of any mass and did 20 J of work, the distance I could move the object is always the same.
That's correct.

Riddl3r said:
There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with this statement. But I'm not seeing what it is, I know it's there - I'm think that somehow I need to do something with the weight of the object. I mean if it were to be realistic I would have to calculate friction and gravity too...

Can somebody please tell me what I missed out?
Usually we neglect friction and the gravity doesn't play a role here because this is a horizontal motion.
 
it's more like a resultant force of 15N which moves the body 4/3 m when 20 J of work is done. the 15 N resultant force may include the force you apply - any resistive forces for example.
 
Oh I see what you're saying, I guess my teacher didn't convey that point very well^^
 

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