When can we swap the order of integration vs differentiation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conditions under which the order of integration and differentiation can be interchanged for a real scalar function f(x,y). It explores theoretical aspects related to calculus, specifically focusing on the Leibniz rule and its implications for functions of one or two variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the interchange of differentiation and integration is valid when the limits of integration are not functions of x or y.
  • Others argue that when the limits are functions of x or y, the Leibniz rule must be applied, which introduces additional terms related to the limits of integration.
  • A participant mentions that applying the Leibniz rule to a function of two variables results in more than three terms, suggesting a more complex scenario than initially presented.
  • Another participant recalls that additional cases for the interchange may exist, referencing Max Rosenlicht's Analysis book and suggesting that it covers the topic in detail.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the condition of non-variable limits is sufficient or necessary for the interchange to hold.
  • A participant provides a link to a Wikipedia article on differentiation under the integral sign for further reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the interchange is valid when the limits of integration are not functions of x. However, there is disagreement regarding the sufficiency and necessity of this condition, as well as the implications of applying the Leibniz rule.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for missing assumptions regarding the nature of f(x,y) and the specific ranges of integration, as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to the application of the Leibniz rule.

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What conditions does the real scalar function f(x,y) (on the particular range of integration) have to satisfy in order to put

\frac{d}{dx}\int{f(x,y)dy}=\int{\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y)dy}

?
 
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pellman said:
What conditions does the real scalar function f(x,y) (on the particular range of integration) have to satisfy in order to put

\frac{d}{dx}\int{f(x,y)dy}=\int{\frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y)dy}

?

That relation holds when the limits of integration are not a function of x or y. If they are, you have to apply the Leibnitz rule. When you do apply the Leibnitz rule to a function of one variable, you end up with one term out of a possible 3 that is exactly what you wrote above. Google leibnitz rule... the other two possible terms (each corresponding to limits of integration) involve taking the derivative of the limits of integration with respect to the variable of integration.

For your problem, there would be more than 3 terms because the integral is a function of 2 variables... to deal with this you would just put brackets around the inner integral and then apply the Leibnitz rule twice, which will surely end up giving you more than 3 terms and second order derivatives.
 
oops sorry your integral is just a function of one variable.

If the limits of integration are not functions of x, the two operations commute.
 
I think there are additional cases where the interchange is possible.

I remember Max Rosenlicht's Analysis book has a whole section on

the interchange of limit operations, where he covers precisely your case.

Unfortunately, I don't have the book with me at this point. If you can't find

the book, let me know, I will try to find it myself. I think baby Rudin's book

also included a section on this topic.
 
7thSon said:
If the limits of integration are not functions of x, the two operations commute.

That makes sense. I was just afraid that it wasn't that simple. thanks.
 
I wonder, tho--I have not yet looked at the chapters I made ref. to--
if that condition is sufficient, or if it is also necessary. I will look it
up soon, hopefully.
 

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