When does resonance take place?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for resonance to occur in organic chemistry. Participants explore the criteria that determine when resonance structures can be drawn and the factors influencing their significance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that resonance occurs when different Lewis structures can be drawn with varying arrangements of double bonds, indicating the presence of resonance structures.
  • Others argue that the presence of multiple bonds and lone pairs is generally necessary, but does not guarantee the importance of resonance structures in describing a molecule.
  • A participant mentions that experimental evidence, such as bond lengths and dipole moments, can indicate the presence of resonance structures.
  • Some participants propose that resonance structures arise in conjugated systems with three or more adjacent atoms having parallel p-orbitals.
  • One participant notes that a more comprehensive understanding of resonance structures is needed than typically covered in introductory classes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific conditions for resonance to occur, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a definitive method to identify resonance structures a priori without drawing them, and the varying interpretations of what constitutes a conjugated system.

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As in what are the conditions for resonance (i.e. in oganic chemistry) to occur? Sometimes it occurs, sometimes it doesn't; for reasons unknown. A little help please? :/:olduhh:
 
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kay said:
As in what are the conditions for resonance (i.e. in oganic chemistry) to occur? Sometimes it occurs, sometimes it doesn't; for reasons unknown. A little help please? :/:olduhh:

Generally, if you can draw different Lewis structures with different arrangements of double bonds, then the different structures are resonance structures. Some resonance structures may be more or less important. All resonance structures are not create equal -- some represent higher energy structures.
 
Quantum Defect said:
Generally, if you can draw different Lewis structures with different arrangements of double bonds, then the different structures are resonance structures. Some resonance structures may be more or less important. All resonance structures are not create equal -- some represent higher energy structures.
What i meant to say was that when does resonance occur? what are the conditions necessary for resonance to take place? I'm not asking how to draw resonating structures. My mind was searching for the fact on the basis of which i would be able to decide whether i COULD make resonating structures or not
 
kay said:
What i meant to say was that when does resonance occur? what are the conditions necessary for resonance to take place? I'm not asking how to draw resonating structures. My mind was searching for the fact on the basis of which i would be able to decide whether i COULD make resonating structures or not

I don't know of any ready way (without drawing resonance structures) to tell, a priori, that resonance structures are there. Generally, you need some multiple bonds, possibly some lone pairs. But the presence of these does not guarantee that resonance structures are important to describe the molecule.

You can see experimental evidence of resonance if you know things like bond lengths for your structure that you can compare to typical bond lengths. I.e. if the experimental bond length is intermediate between a typical single bond and a typical double bond, you are likely to have resonance structures where the bond in question is either single, or double, depending upon the resonance stucture.

The presence of resonance structures may also be revealed through other experimental measurements (dipole moments, thermochemical data, etc.)
 
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That's kind of a difficult question. In general, you need much more resonance structures than you are usually considering in introductory classes. E.g. to describe a simple molecule like ##\mathrm{H_2}## starting from its atomic orbitals you need to include H-H, H##^+##H##^-## and H##^-##H##^+##.
 

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