When exactly does the tabular method for integration by parts fail?

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The discussion revolves around the tabular method for integration by parts, specifically addressing its limitations and circumstances under which it may fail. Participants explore various integrands and methods related to integration by parts, including special cases involving natural logarithms and products of exponential functions with trigonometric functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the tabular method works well for most textbook problems but may fail with integrands containing natural logarithms.
  • Another participant suggests that the method fails when the integrand is a product of exponential and trigonometric functions, as neither can be differentiated to zero.
  • A later reply discusses a specific example of integrals involving products of exponential and sine functions, indicating that these require multiple integrations by parts or an alternative approach using complex exponentials.
  • Another participant introduces a mathematical condition involving second derivatives of functions, proposing a formula for the integral of their product without needing to perform integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the limitations of the tabular method, with no consensus on all circumstances under which it may fail. Multiple competing approaches and examples are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific integrals and methods that may not be universally applicable, highlighting the dependence on the forms of the functions involved. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of the proposed formula for integrals.

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I found this interesting but different way to solve integration by parts problems on the internet: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/integration20by20parts2.jpg/

It seems to work well for me when doing most textbook problems, except when the integrand contains a natural logarithm. I just want to know, are there other special circumstances in which you'd have to do use the definition of integration by parts to carry out the integration?

Thanks in advance.
 
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You need to be able to differentiate one of the factor to 0, at which point the table ends. This fails when say, you have integrand of the form of product of exponential and cosine or sine, neither which can be differentiated to zero [there are however also clever way to deal with this kind of integrand, but I have to go now...].
 
yenchin said:
You need to be able to differentiate one of the factor to 0, at which point the table ends. This fails when say, you have integrand of the form of product of exponential and cosine or sine, neither which can be differentiated to zero [there are however also clever way to deal with this kind of integrand, but I have to go now...].

Interesting, and which method is this? I've tried searching for it and found nothing. Thanks in advance.
 
yenchin said:
You need to be able to differentiate one of the factor to 0, at which point the table ends. This fails when say, you have integrand of the form of product of exponential and cosine or sine, neither which can be differentiated to zero [there are however also clever way to deal with this kind of integrand, but I have to go now...].

-Dragoon- said:
Interesting, and which method is this? I've tried searching for it and found nothing. Thanks in advance.

He's probably referring to integrals of the form$$\int e^x\sin x\ dx$$ or similar with a cosine. Those require two integrations by parts and then solving for the unknown integral. But an easier way is to observe the ##e^{ix}=\cos x + i \sin x## so the above integral can be done by just taking the imaginary part of $$\int e^xe^{ix}\ dx = \int e^{(1+i)x}\ dx$$Just work that using the exponential rules and rationalize it. You get$$\int e^x\sin x\ dx$$by taking the imaginary part, and for free you also get$$\int e^x\cos x\ dx$$by taking the real part.
 
I actually have in mind the following:

You can show that the following is true:

Suppose that \dfrac{d^2f}{dx^2}=nf and \dfrac{d^2g}{dx^2}=mg, that is if the functions are constant multiple of themselves, and m \neq n, then the integral of the product fg is given by

\displaystyle\int fg dx = \frac{f\frac{dg}{dx}-\frac{df}{dx}g}{m-n} + C.

Note that there is no need to carry out any integration!
 

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