When is integral closure generated by one element

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The discussion centers on the conditions under which the integral closure of a domain R, generated by an integral element a, can fail to be expressed as R[b] for some b in S. Participants clarify that R must be integrally closed and that examples involving number fields often illustrate this concept. The conversation highlights that not all rings of integers in number fields possess "power bases," referencing Richard Dedekind's work on the subject. A specific counterexample is provided, emphasizing the complexity of the topic. The exchange concludes with appreciation for the insights shared, indicating a deeper understanding of integral closures.
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Hello,
This is not a homework problem, nor a textbook question. Please do not remove.
Is there a concrete example of the following setup :
R is an integrally closed domain,
a is an integral element over R,
S is the integral closure of R[a] in its fraction field,
S is not of the form R{[}b{]} for any element b in S.

For example, the integral closure of {\mathbb Z}(\sqrt 5) is the set of elements of the form (m + \sqrt 5 n)/2, where m^2 - 5n^2 is a multiple of 4. So, S is generated by \sqrt 5/2 over \mathbb Z: This does not fulfill the desired conditions.
 
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i don't understand. in your example apparently R is not integrally closed. in fact under your conditions, that R is integrally closed and a is integral over R, this implies that R = R[a], doesn't it?

Oh sorry, you meant integral over it but in some finite field extension of its fraction field. so your R was Z and your a was sqrt(5). got it. and maybe you meant Z[sqrt(5)] instead of Z(sqrt(5))?
 
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Yes, I meant {\mathbb Z}{[}\sqrt 5{]}.
In my example, R = {\mathbb Z},\ a = \sqrt 5 and S is the integral closure of {\mathbb Z}[\sqrt 5] in {\mathbb Z}(\sqrt 5), which has the form given above.
 
the answer is there does exist such a counter example Z[a] to the integral closure equaling Z[ b]. all your examples are numbers fields, and all number fields fall into your examples. You are asking for the structure of the ring of integers, which is known to have a finite basis as an abelian group. You want that basis to be the powers, up to some finite power, of a single integral element.
It is well known since Richard Dedekind that not all rings of integers in number fields have so called "power bases". here is a reference: (or just search on "non monogenic fields".)

http://wstein.org/129-05/final_papers/Yan_Zhang.pdf
 
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Very useful. I was completely unaware of this topic. Thank you so many mathwonk.
 
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