When is the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality an equality?

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The discussion revolves around the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality and conditions for equality, specifically focusing on the relationship between two vectors, a and b, and their parallelism. Participants explore the implications of vector projections and inner products in this context.

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  • Participants discuss showing that the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality holds as an equality if and only if the vectors are parallel. They explore vector projections and the implications of inner products, questioning how to express relationships between the vectors.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various approaches being suggested, including the use of projections and quadratic equations. Some participants express confusion and seek further clarification, indicating a collaborative effort to understand the problem without reaching a consensus.

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I can show that if the vectors a and b are parallel,

[tex]a = \lambda b[/tex],

then the Cauchy-Schwartz inequality

[tex] \newcommand{\braket}[2]{{<\!\!{#1|#2}\!\!>}}<br /> |\braket{a}{b}|^2 \leq \braket{a}{a} \braket{b}{b}[/tex]

is an equality.

But how do I show that it is an equality if and only if they are parallel?
 
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You can write b=Pb+Qb, where Pb is the projection of b onto the subspace generated by a, ie, Pb is parellel to a, and Qb is perpendicular to a. Then a=lambda*b iff Qb=0. Plug the expansion of b into the inequality.
 
Sorry, I don't get it. Can you give me more details?
 
Do you know how to project one vector on another?
 
In this case,

[tex]\hat{b} = \frac{b \cdot a}{a \cdot a} a[/tex]

right?
 
Right, and b is equal to its projection onto a iff a and b are parellel. See if you can express (a,b) in terms of the projection of b onto a.
 
Like

[tex]\hat{b} = \frac{b \cdot a}{a \cdot a} a = \lambda \frac{a \cdot a}{a \cdot a} a = \lambda a[/tex]

?
 
That shows that b equals its projection if b=la, but not the converse.
 
Then I'm stuck...
 
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Never mind, the converse is trivial. Ok, so you've shown that b is a multiple of a iff Qb=b-Pb=0, where Pb is the projection of b onto a. Now plug b=Pb+Qb into (a,b).
 
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I don't get it. If b = Pb, then

[tex]|<b|a>|^2 = <a|b> <b|a> = <a|Pb><Pb|a>[/tex]

and I want to show that this equals

[tex]<a|a><b|b>[/tex]

??
 
  • #12
Just in case you want to try a different path (because it may be easier):
If a and b are linearly independent, then [tex]a-\lambda b\not= 0[/tex] for all [itex]\lambda \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]. Now what you can you say about the inner product of [itex]a-\lambda b[/itex] with itself?[/itex]
 
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I don't know, what can I say?

[tex]<a - \lambda b|a - \lambda b> = <a|a> - \lambda <a|b> - \lambda <b|a> + \lambda^2 <b|b>[/tex]

?
 
  • #14
That's a polynomial in lambda that has no real solutions. Look at the determinant.

Galileo's way is probably easier (and nicer, as it doesn't require a projection operator), but all I wanted you to do was plug in |<a,b>|^2=|<a,Pb+Qb>|^2=|<a,Pb>+<a,Qb>|^2=..., and you'll eventually end up with something like |<a,b>|^2+c||Qb||^2=||a||^2||b||^2, so that equality holds iff Qb is zero.
 
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Logarythmic said:
I don't know, what can I say?

[tex]<a - \lambda b|a - \lambda b> = <a|a> - \lambda <a|b> - \lambda <b|a> + \lambda^2 <b|b>[/tex]

?
True. Now, if v is a nonzero vector, what does that say about <v,v>?
(You have a vector v=a-Lb that is nonzero for EVERY L.)

Then look at your equation as a quadratic equation in L.
 
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So <v|v> is constant and I get an expression for [tex]\lambda[/tex]? My head is pretty messed up after this thread.
 
  • #17
No, <v,v> is not constant wrt lambda. It's a quadratic equation in terms of lambda, as you have shown.

The inner product has the property that:
[tex]\langle v,v \rangle \geq 0 \mbox{ with equality only if v=0}[/tex]

Since your v is not zero it is positive for any value of lambda. That means you have a quadratic equation which has no real roots. What does that tell you about its determinant?
 

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