When tan theta is -ve why did we assume that it's in the second quad?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the tangent of an angle in the context of two forces applied at a point, specifically addressing why a negative tangent value indicates that the angle is in the second quadrant rather than the fourth quadrant.

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  • One participant questions why the angle is assumed to be in the second quadrant given that the tangent is negative, suggesting it could also be in the fourth quadrant.
  • Another participant explains that the convention is to take the "principal value" for arctan, which is defined between 0 and π, thus supporting the second quadrant assumption.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the assignment of the negative sign to the x-axis rather than the y-axis, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the meaning of negative in this context, but does not address the specific question about the axes.
  • A further contribution discusses the definition of angles formed by two rays, noting that the angle considered is the smaller of the two possible angles.

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Participants express differing views on the quadrant assignment for the angle based on the negative tangent value, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assignment of the negative sign to specific axes and the implications of the principal value convention for arctan.

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The problem says
" Two forces of magnitudes 12 and 15 Newton are applied to a point and the tangesnt of the angle between them is -3/4. Find the resultant of the two forces and the measure of its angle of inclination on the first force.
In the answer it says that the theta belongs to the second quad, and I assume this is because the tan -ve but why didn't it assume it's in the fourth quad? And why doess the -ve sign belong to the 4 on the x-axis not the 3 on the y-axis??
 
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Hi Douna2nd! :smile:
Douna2nd said:
" … the tangesnt of the angle between them is -3/4"

In the answer it says that the theta belongs to the second quad, and I assume this is because the tan -ve but why didn't it assume it's in the fourth quad?

Because the convention is we always take the "principal value" for arctan, and that's between 0 and π (ie, 1st or 2nd quadrant).
And why doess the -ve sign belong to the 4 on the x-axis not the 3 on the y-axis??

Not following you. :confused:
 
Douna2nd said:
And why doess the -ve sign belong to the 4 on the x-axis not the 3 on the y-axis??

tiny-tim said:
Not following you. :confused:

That's because -ve is baby-talk for "negative".
 
Two rays, starting at the same point, create two angles, one less than or equal to 180 degrees, the other larger than or equal to (and the two angles add to 360 degrees). The angle created is, by definition, the smaller of the two.
 

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