When to assign a value to a multiple chain derivative?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically regarding the assignment of values in multiple chain derivatives. Participants explore different assignments of variables and their implications on the correctness of the derivative calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the function y=e^{-x^2} and questions when to assign values to intermediary variables in a chain rule context.
  • Another participant points out that the assignment u=e^{-x} and y=u^2 does not yield the correct function, as it leads to y=e^{-2x} instead of y=e^{-x^2}.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the assignments, with one participant asserting that they assigned y=u^2 and u=e^{-x}, leading to confusion about the correct interpretation of the functions involved.
  • There is a recognition that the assignment of u^2 implies the function (e^{-x})^2, which differs from the intended -x^2, indicating a misunderstanding in the assignment process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct assignments of variables and their implications for the derivative calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach, as misunderstandings about the relationships between the functions persist.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion arising from the multiple layers of the chain rule and the necessity of correctly assigning intermediary variables to avoid incorrect results.

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I was doing my homework and I ran into a problem of a chain rule within a chain rule. When do I know what to assign a value? For example:

[tex]y=e^{-x^2}[/tex]

When I assign [tex]u=e^{-x}[/tex] and [tex]y=u^2[/tex] I get a wrong value. According to cramster I was supposed to assign y = e^u and u=-x^2. But when am I supposed to know what value to assign? For clarification let me write out the steps my problem.

[tex]y=e^{-x^2}[/tex]
[tex]u=e^{-x} -----> \frac{du}{dx}=-e^{-x}[/tex]
[tex]y=u^2 ---------> \frac{dy}{du}=2u[/tex]
This shows out that the chain is consistent.
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du}\frac{du}{dx}<br /> [tex]=2u(-e^{-x})[/tex]<br /> [tex]=2(e^{-x})(-e^{-x})[/tex]<br /> [tex]=-2e^{-2x}[/tex]<br /> <br /> But cramster has a different answer. Cramster assigned the values as y=e^u and u =-x^2 got an answer of:<br /> [tex]=-2x^{-x^2}[/tex][/tex]
 
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Nano-Passion said:
When I assign [tex]u=e^{-x}[/tex] and [tex]y=u^2[/tex] I get a wrong value.

This is your problem. [itex]u^{2}[/itex] is not equal to [itex]e^{-x^2}[/itex]. In fact, it's equal to [itex]e^{-x}e^{-x} = e^{-2x}[/itex]
 
gb7nash said:
This is your problem. [itex]u^{2}[/itex] is not equal to [itex]e^{-x^2}[/itex]. In fact, it's equal to [itex]e^{-x}e^{-x} = e^{-2x}[/itex]

No I assign [tex]y=u^2[/tex]. So then [tex]f'(y)=2u[/tex]

Edit: I think there is a bit of a confusion. This is the answer I got-->[tex]e^{-x} = e^{-2x}[/tex]. I think you confused it with my last line; the last line is the answer posted up on cramster. I edited my original post and clarified it.
 
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Nano-Passion said:
No I assign [tex]y=u^2[/tex]

Is this the same y as:

Nano-Passion said:
[tex]y=e^{-x^2}[/tex]

?
 
Nano-Passion said:
Read my previous post I edited it, it might clarify things. Basically when there is a chain rule within a chain rule I assign a value. Where in this case it was:

[tex]y=u^2[/tex] and [tex]u=e^{-x}[/tex]

Ohhhhh.. so in this case u^2 implies the function [tex](e^{-x})^2[/tex] Where it is supposed to be only [tex]-x^2[/tex]

That is what your saying right? Because I just noticed.
 
Nano-Passion said:
Ohhhhh.. so in this case u^2 implies the function [tex](e^{-x})^2[/tex] Where it is supposed to be only [tex]-x^2[/tex]

That is what your saying right? Because I just noticed.

Correct
 

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