Where Am I Going Wrong in Calculating Free Energy Change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the non-standard Free Energy change (ΔG) for a chemical reaction involving nitrogen and hydrogen gases to form ammonia, as well as evaluating the spontaneity of another reaction involving oxygen and ozone. Participants seek clarification on their calculations and the implications of their results.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the equilibrium constant (Q) for the reaction and applies the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RTln(Q) but questions their final result of 41.643 kJ.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation of RTln(Q) as 41.6 kJ/mol and prompts the first participant to calculate ΔG using the provided ΔG° value of -16.6 kJ/mol.
  • There is confusion regarding the spontaneity of the reaction involving O2 and O3, with participants debating whether certain statements about the reaction's spontaneity are true or false.
  • One participant suggests that the first statement about the spontaneity of the reaction should be false, indicating a potential disagreement on the interpretation of the data.
  • A later reply indicates that the ΔG° value should be adjusted based on the stoichiometry of the reaction, specifically noting that since the reaction produces 2 moles of ammonia, ΔG° should be calculated as 2 * (-16.6 kJ/mol).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for calculating ΔG but express uncertainty about the spontaneity of the reaction involving O2 and O3, leading to conflicting interpretations of the statements presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the discrepancies regarding the spontaneity of the O2 to O3 reaction, and there are assumptions about the independence of ΔHo and ΔSo from temperature that remain unexamined.

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Homework Statement



In the previous question, you had to calculate the the standard Free Energy Change (Go) in order to solve for the equilibrium constant, K, for the reaction:


N2(g) + 3H2(g) → 2NH3(g)


This is the Free Energy measured under standard conditions, when the reaction is started with 1.0 M of each of the three gases present. Calculate the non-standard Free Energy change (G) at 298 K, given the following non-standard initial concentrations of the three gases. Answer in kJ.
Gfo = -16.6 kJ/mol for NH3 (g) at 298 K

initial concentration (M)
N2 1.0
H2 0.01
NH3 4.5

I use the equation for K to find the equilibrium constant of Q=20049504.95

I then use the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RTln(Q)

I keep getting an answer of 41643.09479/1000=41.643kJ...

Where am I going wrong?

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The spontaneity of a standard reaction, ΔGo, depends on both ΔHo and ΔSo. Given the following reaction and data table, decide if each of the statements shown below are True or False.
Assume that ΔHo and ΔSo are independent of Temperature.

3 O2 (g) → 2 O3 (g)

ΔHorxn 285 kJ
ΔSorxn -137 J/K

My answers will be in blue

This reaction is endothermic True
This reaction is exothermic False
This reaction is endergonic (ΔGo > 0) at 298 K True
This reaction is exergonic (ΔGo < 0) at 298 K False
This standard reaction will only be spontaneous at high temperatures (T > 2080 K) False
This standard reaction will only be spontaneous at low temperatures (T < 2080 K) False
This standard reaction will be spontaneous at all temperatures True
This standard reaction will not be spontaneous at any temperature True

I have tried this problem several times. Could anybody maybe help me and tell me which ones I might have wrong?





Homework Equations



I then use the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RTln(Q)

The Attempt at a Solution



my attempts are listed up above with the other parts
 
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Can anybody try to help me solve this?
 
For #1, you correctly calculate that RT ln(Q) = 41.6 kJ/mol. The problem tells you that ΔG° = -16.6 kJ/mol. Calculate ΔG.


mudkip26 said:
This standard reaction will be spontaneous at all temperatures True
This standard reaction will not be spontaneous at any temperature True

These answers don't seem to be consistent with each other.
 
So I plug in the 41.6 into what equation? I'm sorry I'm just a little confused. :/

And for the next one, should the first one be false?
 
mudkip26 said:
So I plug in the 41.6 into what equation? I'm sorry I'm just a little confused. :/

ΔG=ΔG°+RTln(Q)

You calculated RTln(Q) and ΔG° was given to you in the problem. All you need to do is add them to get ΔG.

And for the next one, should the first one be false?

Yes.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
ΔG=ΔG°+RTln(Q)

You calculated RTln(Q) and ΔG° was given to you in the problem. All you need to do is add them to get ΔG.



Yes.

And I can find Q from using the initial concentrations given?
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Yes.

Alright. Thank you for your help (:
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Yes.

I went and added the two together but it still says I am wrong. Could I be calculating my ΔG wrong?
 
  • #10
Oh, since the reaction forms 2 moles of ammonia, ΔG° = 2 *(-16.6 kJ/mol).
 
  • #11
Ygggdrasil said:
Oh, since the reaction forms 2 moles of ammonia, ΔG° = 2 *(-16.6 kJ/mol).
That worked perfect, thank you! (:
 

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