Where Can I Begin Learning About Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how to begin learning about quantum mechanics (QM) for a high school student with a background in classical mechanics. Participants explore prerequisites, foundational topics, and resources for self-study in QM, emphasizing the challenges of accessing advanced material at the high school level.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about where to start learning QM, noting their good understanding of classical mechanics but feeling overwhelmed by complexity.
  • Another participant suggests that a solid background in classical mechanics, including Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations, as well as intermediate Electromagnetic Theory, is typically required before studying QM.
  • It is noted that many college students are first introduced to QM in an "Introduction to Modern Physics" course, which follows a two-semester freshman physics sequence.
  • Some participants recommend focusing on the historical context and experimental observations that led to the development of QM as a preparatory step.
  • There is mention of introductory textbooks that do not require advanced math, which could be suitable for someone with a basic understanding of algebra and calculus.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for additional math courses, including vector calculus and differential equations, to fully grasp the prerequisites for QM.
  • Another participant advises against worrying about advanced formulations of mechanics at this stage and suggests becoming comfortable with Electricity and Magnetism as a parallel study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a strong mathematical foundation and knowledge of classical mechanics before tackling QM. However, there are differing opinions on the specific topics to prioritize and the best resources for self-study, indicating that multiple views remain on the best approach to learning QM.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the absence of advanced physics courses at the high school level and the varying levels of mathematical preparation among participants. Some participants have not yet studied certain mathematical concepts, which may affect their readiness for QM.

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I'm interested in quantum mechanics but I am not sure where to begin. I have a a good understanding of classical mechanics, but I don't know where to start in quantum mechanics. I seem to dive into subjects that are too complicated for me to understand at the moment. Where is a good starting place in quantum mechanics?

(I am a junior in high school so there are no quantum physics classes offered to me now.)
 
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imjustcurious said:
I have a a good understanding of classical mechanics,

We could start by asking what you mean by a good understanding of classical mechanics. QM is taught in college after an intermediate course in classical mechanics including Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations and wave motion. Also taught before QM is intermediate Electromagnetic Theory. On top of that prerequisites for these subjects include Vector Calculus, ordinary and partial differential equations, and linear algebra.

If you do not have this background a good way to prepare for QM is to learn why QM was developed i.e., study the experimental observations that required the change in the way we viewed our world. and how the physics community came to grips with these observations.
 
gleem said:
QM is taught in college after an intermediate course in classical mechanics including Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations and wave motion. Also taught before QM is intermediate Electromagnetic Theory. On top of that prerequisites for these subjects include Vector Calculus, ordinary and partial differential equations, and linear algebra.

This is for a full-on undergraduate course in QM. In the US at least, many or most college/university students get their first exposure to QM in an "Introduction to Modern Physics" course that immediately follows the usual two-semester freshman physics sequence. This post has links to some typical textbooks:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...h-engineering-background.719059/#post-4553122

As far as math is concerned, these books require advance knowledge only of algebra, trigonometry, and basic calculus (derivatives and integrals). They try to teach any necessary additional math as needed. It helps if you've been exposed to differential equations, but a full course in them is definitely not a pre-requisite.
 
Unfortunately, there are only basic physics classes at my school, so I have had to do much of my learning on my own. My knowledge of classical mechanics includes: Newton's Laws, kinematics, rotational dynamics, harmonic motion, and some thermodynamics.

I am taking a college calculus courses my senior year. So far I have had to teach myself basic calculus. I have not gotten into Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations yet. So I guess that might be a good place to pick up with classical mechanics then. Since I won't take calculus till next year, how far should I get in calculus before I study Langragian and Hamiltonian formulations. Furthermore, what are they?
 
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imjustcurious said:
Unfortunately, there are only basic physics classes at my school, so I have had to do much of my learning on my own. My knowledge of classical mechanics includes: Newton's Laws, kinematics, rotational dynamics, harmonic motion, and some thermodynamics.

I am taking a college calculus courses my senior year. So far I have had to teach myself basic calculus. I have not gotten into Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations yet. So I guess that might be a good place to pick up with classical mechanics then. Since I won't take calculus till next year, how far should I get in calculus before I study Langragian and Hamiltonian formulations. Furthermore, what are they?

(I am a junior in high school so there are no quantum physics classes offered to me now.)[/QUOTE]

I admire your drive in wanting to learn QM, but there is a good reason your HS (or indeed, I suspect, no HS on the planet) offers courses in QM. There is simply too much advanced material to learn as a prerequisite for learning just the math associated with QM.

OK, so you have probably got one basic calculus course under your belt by the time you graduate from HS, but you'll also need to study vectors, vector calculus, differential equations, infinite series, and several other things as well. That's about three or four college-level math courses right there.

Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics also pre-supposes that you have taken a course in statics and dynamics.
 
Today at 9:08 AM#3
jtbell pointed out that there are Introduction to Modern Physics books that do not require advanced math that are typical for a full QM course. These books do cover the history and development of modern physics to basic QM. At this stage I would not worry about Lagrangian etc. formulation of mechanics. However I would recommend you become as comfortable with Electricity and Magnetism as you seem to be with mechanics. Perhaps someone else in this forum can recommend and appropriate E&M book for you. Such books do need some familiarity with vector analysis, and the calculus of several variables but often these disciplines are developed in the book as needed.
 

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