Where can I learn to calculate the need for cooling?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of cooling effects in deep freezers, particularly for food storage. Participants seek resources and methods to determine the necessary cooling effect based on various input parameters such as the amount of food, required temperature, room size, and insulation properties.

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  • One participant requests websites or resources for learning about cooling calculations in freezers.
  • Another participant suggests searching for "REFRIGERATION CALCULATIONS" and notes that heat loss/gain is proportional to the temperature difference between the ambient and refrigerated areas.
  • A participant challenges the linearity of the heat transfer concepts by referencing Stefan-Boltzmann's law, questioning the assumption of linearity in temperature effects.
  • Responses clarify that while radiation is governed by a nonlinear relationship, refrigeration primarily involves conduction and convection, which are often treated as linear for practical calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of neglecting radiation losses in refrigeration calculations, with some arguing that they are negligible compared to conduction and convection losses.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of determining which effects can be ignored in engineering problems, suggesting that overly precise considerations can hinder problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of radiation in cooling calculations and the appropriateness of linear approximations for conduction and convection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which various heat transfer modes should be considered in practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about heat transfer modes, particularly the treatment of conduction and convection as linear, and the potential insignificance of radiation losses in specific scenarios.

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I'm on the lookout for a website dealing with calculation of cooling effects in deep freezers (for food storage and such). The main goal for me is to learn the basics of how to find the needed cooling effect from input values like amount of food, required temperature, room size, insulation, etc. If anyone know any good places I'll be happy :)
 
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Google REFRIGERATION CALCULATIONS ...

You could also get empirical information off the back of any freezer...or the owners manual for one...

One thing I can tell you in general: heat loss/gain is directly proportional to the difference in temperature between the ambient and refrigerated area...so keeping something at zero degress in 80 degree ambient takes twice as much cooling (power) as in 40 degree ambient.
 
Naty1 said:
One thing I can tell you in general: heat loss/gain is directly proportional to the difference in temperature between the ambient and refrigerated area...so keeping something at zero degress in 80 degree ambient takes twice as much cooling (power) as in 40 degree ambient.

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Stefan-Boltzmann's law:
[tex]j^{\star} = \sigma T^{4}[/tex]

Does that look linear in T to you?
 
That's only for radiation and a refrigerator is almost entirely conduction and convection and is linear.
 
russ_watters said:
That's only for radiation and a refrigerator is almost entirely conduction and convection and is linear.

I know it's for radiation, and at least where I learned to do these kinds of calculations, radiation losses were never neglected.

Conduction is generally treated as if it was linear, but it is not. It's an approximation. The same goes for convection, only it's a worse approximation there.

Using a linear approximation is one thing, stating that reality is linear is something else.
 
alxm said:
I know it's for radiation, and at least where I learned to do these kinds of calculations, radiation losses were never neglected.
That's surprising since radiation really is insignificantly small for this case. A tiny fraction of a percent of the heat transfer.
Conduction is generally treated as if it was linear, but it is not.
I've never heard that before - could you provide a source? Here's the typical description: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/thermo/heatra.html
The same goes for convection, only it's a worse approximation there.
Convection is only approximately linear, but in a situation where you have a lot of insulation, the conduction through the insulation is by far the dominant mode of heat transfer. So again, other nonlinear modes are insignificantly small.
Using a linear approximation is one thing, stating that reality is linear is something else.
I think you are being overly pedantic. When someone is looking for 95% accuracy and an effect is .0001% (estimates), it can safely be ignored. This is an engineering question and one of the more important skills in doing an engineering problem is figuring out what you need to consider and what you can safely ignore. If an engineer tries to consider all effects - no matter how small - in all cases, they'd never finish solving a problem.
 

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