Where did this equation come from?

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The discussion centers on the derivation of a mathematical identity in thermal physics involving the equation x(y,z) = x(y,w(y,z)). Participants clarify that the variables x, y, z, and w are dependent variables, with w potentially being a function of both y and z. The conversation emphasizes the use of the chain rule for partial derivatives and the necessity of understanding the Jacobian when transitioning between variable representations. The notation used in physics is noted as being less clear than in mathematics, which adds complexity to the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


This equation in the attached document appeared in thermal physics as a mathematical identity. I like to know mathematically how it is derived.



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I don't know where to start
 

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I can't open the gif file. Maybe others can.
 
A Mentor needs to approve it. They're probably catching up on their Z's, now. :biggrin:
 
That's just the chain rule for partial derivatives- the notation, being physics rather than mathematics is a little peculiar. The subscripts mean "this variable being treated as a constant.
 
You are right in that the notations are not clear.
I assume that the 4 variables x,y,z,w are dependent variables? But what are the independent variables? Do I need to use the Jacobian?
 
pivoxa15 said:
You are right in that the notations are not clear.
I assume that the 4 variables x,y,z,w are dependent variables? But what are the independent variables? Do I need to use the Jacobian?

On the left side, x is a function of y and z, x(y,z).

Then imagine rewriting this as a function of y and w instead, where w is some function of *both* y and z. The only condition is that the resulting function x(y,w) does not depend on z explicitly (but it does implicitly through the dependence of w on z).

In other words, one goes from x(y,z) to x(y,w(y,z)).

Edit: when I say that w is a function of both y and z, I mean that it *may* be a function of both y and z. Of course, a special and trivial case is w=z. A slightly more general case is w is some function of z. In both cases, obviously the partial derivative of x with respect to y is the same no matter if x is expressed in terms of y,z or in terms of y,w. But if w is a function of both z and y, the formula needed is the one you quoted.


Patrick
 
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I see, how did you work it out?

They should state
if x(y,z)=x(y,w(y,z)) then the equation I showed.
 

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