Where Does Amplification Occur in Vacuum Tubes? A Detailed Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the amplification process in vacuum tubes, specifically focusing on the mechanisms of signal amplification, the role of grid and plate voltages, and the relationship between these components. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical implications, and the physics underlying vacuum tube operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about where amplification occurs, suggesting that it seems to require external adjustments to maintain plate current rather than a direct amplification process.
  • Another participant clarifies that triode tubes amplify signals when the grid is biased above the cathode, noting that a negative grid voltage restricts electron flow.
  • A different participant discusses the relationship between grid and plate voltages, suggesting that maintaining a constant ratio of δVp/δVg is essential for amplification, while questioning the role of the cathode if grid voltage is lower than cathode voltage.
  • One participant shares resources and equations related to vacuum tube operation, explaining that a positive plate potential draws electrons and that the grid creates a space charge density that limits plate current.
  • Another participant provides links to external resources for further understanding of vacuum tubes and their operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the amplification process and the roles of different components in vacuum tubes. There is no consensus on the exact mechanisms of amplification or the implications of grid voltage on electron flow.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the relationships between voltages and currents that may not be fully resolved. The implications of grid voltage being negative relative to the cathode are also not conclusively addressed.

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hi, we say amplification µ=plate resis.(rp) x gm = δVp/δVg=plate voltage/grid voltage
but I am confused where is the amplification taking place it is just that to maintain the same plate current we have to EXTERNALLY increase the plate voltage,δVp, in response to an decrease in grid voltage,δVg. Also i have one more doubt that, since we do not make the grid voltage positive w.r.t. cathode so amplification cannot take place as the presence of -ve voltage on grid will only restrict the no. of electrons reaching the plate.
 
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Triode tubes amplify a signal placed on the grid that is biased above the cathode. (so you are correct that -v on the grid will restrict electron flow) The plate potential should be above the grid bias. Hence you vary the plate current by varying the grid potential.

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Given amplification µ=plate resis.(rp) x gm = δVp/δVg,
You say that in order to maintain a constant plate current, a decrease in δVg should be responded with an externally driven increase in δVp.

In order to maintain [tex]\mu[/tex] (amplification) one would have to maintain the ratio δVp/δVg. I think the physical idea is that to maintain the current for a given initial δVp/δVg, the difference in voltage at the plate and grid must stay the same. An increase in one would result in an increase in the other, while affecting other physical properties of the circuit.

As for the cathode and grid relationship, I'm not 100% sure, but I think a decrease in δVg increase flow from plate to grid, but restricts flow from the grid to the cathode. If δVg < δVc, then is the "cathode" even functioning as a cathode anymore?

Also,
If anyone wants to talk about the physics of music recording electronics, I would have fun with that.

-Nate
 
Notice this thread is over 3 years old.

Here's a cute little tube animation:

http://www.ieeeghn.com/wiki/images/2/2b/Vacuum_tube.swf"

A better site for tube info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube"
 
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Thanks! The video is cool.
 
here is a review of vacuum tube operation, including some real equations:

http://www.john-a-harper.com/tubes201/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_charge

Electrons are emitted from the hot cathode via thermionic emission (Richardson's equation, Dushmanns law)

A large positive potential on the plate will draw all the emission electrons to the plate. The grid itself does not itself intercept the electrons, but creates a space charge density (very slow electrons) that limits the plate current (Child's law). Modulating the grid voltage modulates the plate current.

The plate voltage signal is produced by the plate current flowing through (across) the external plate circuit resistance (impedance). This can be a resistor or an LC circuit, or an output transformer primary.

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
here is a review of vacuum tube operation, including some real equations:

http://www.john-a-harper.com/tubes201/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_charge

Nice. :cool:

I remember going through the tube base diagrams many times in this old book. I bet you have too. :smile:

47handbook.jpg
 

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