Where does the energy come from? (superconduction)

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The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics involved when a superconducting material is cooled below its critical temperature, specifically focusing on the origin of the energy that induces surface currents in the material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the cooling equipment consumes energy to induce the surface current in the superconducting material.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of cooling equipment by suggesting that the material could cool naturally in outer space.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that the energy for the current comes from stray magnetic fluxes linked to the conducting circuit prior to reaching the superconducting state.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the analogy used to explain the energy dynamics, seeking to understand the relationship between the magnetic field energy and the induced current once the material becomes superconducting.

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Participants express differing views on the source of energy for the induced current, with no consensus reached on whether cooling equipment is necessary or if natural cooling suffices. The analogy used to explain the phenomenon also appears to be a point of confusion.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the role of magnetic fields and the conditions under which the energy dynamics are analyzed, particularly concerning the initial state of the magnetic field before reaching the critical temperature.

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When one cools down the temperature of a superconducting material below its critical temperature, a surface current is induced. Where does the energy (needed to create this new kinetic energy of the current) come from?
 
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mr. vodka said:
When one cools down the temperature of a superconducting material below its critical temperature, a surface current is induced. Where does the energy (needed to create this new kinetic energy of the current) come from?

Well, in short, the cooling equipment has a specific role. And THAT takes energy.
 
Hm, but what if i just threw it into outer space? It'd cool by itself without any equipment.
 
The current comes from whatever stray magnetic fluxes are linking the conducting circuit when it goes superconducting.

It's like having a cork at the bottom of a bucket of molasses that abruptly turns to water. What makes the water stir as the cork pops up? Probably the worst analogy I've ever come up with but you get the point.
 
Hm, I'm not totally getting the analogy :)

But to come back to your first paragraph: ah since there's only an induced current when there was a magnetic field before reaching the critical temperature (after all, the induced current is there to remove that initial magnetic field inside the material), you're saying that when you calculate the energy in the magnetic field inside and outside the material before reaching the critical temperature, this will equal the energy stored in the magnetic field outside + in the current on the surface, after reaching the critical temperature?
 

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