Where would I bet better as an undergrad? UK or US?

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The discussion centers on comparing undergraduate physics programs in the UK and the US, particularly focusing on the experiences and outcomes related to pursuing a PhD in physics. Participants explore the implications of institutional choices, degree structures, and research opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for studying physics at either Cornell in the US or Oxford in the UK, questioning the impact of distributional requirements in the US on their physics education.
  • Another participant suggests that prospective PhD students should consider institutions with high graduate school admission rates to top programs and opportunities for undergraduate research and publication.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point, highlighting Cornell's strong track record in undergraduate research and graduate school placements, while noting that UK institutions like Cambridge and Oxford may offer fewer undergraduate research opportunities.
  • A later reply emphasizes the structural differences between US and UK physics programs, indicating that the UK typically involves a more complex pathway to a PhD, which may affect comparisons between institutions like Oxford and Cornell.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of research opportunities and graduate school admission rates when choosing an institution, but there are differing views on the comparative advantages of US versus UK programs, particularly regarding the structure and focus of the degrees.

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Participants mention various assumptions about the pathways to graduate education in both countries, including the differences in degree types (BSc vs MSc) and the implications for future academic pursuits. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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So I'm applying to both US Universities and UK Universities... My main choice in the US is most likely going to be Cornell; my main choice in the UK is definitely Oxford. Obviously there is no guaranteed entry into either institutions, but hey, let's be optimistic.
Regardless of where I am, I will certainly want to major in Physics. Does anyone have any experience with comparing the UK and US undergrad courses for Physics? I feel like going to the US and having to do distributional requirements will limit my Physics knowledge... however I've asked Cornell and they said it's perfectly reasonable for undergrads to take grad level courses. I still feel like the UK will be a more substantial degree. I'm also fairly certain I want to do a PhD in Physics. If that is to remain true, and in 4 years I have to make a decision on where, will having a degree from US Uni's limit to where I can apply as apposed to just going for a straight Masters from the UK?

tl;dr UK or US for undergrad? Where would I get the best physics degree?

ALSO: If anyone has studied Physics at Cornell PLEASE tell me what your experience was like.
 
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For someone already knowing they want to pursue a PhD, I would recommend two things:

Pick an institution where a lot of graduates get into very good grad schools. A good question might be: of those physics majors who wanted to go to graduate school, shat percentage were admitted to top 20 programs?

Pick an institution where most physics majors have a chance to do research and publish while undergraduates. A good question might be: what percentage of physics undergrads co-authored published papers in the last five years?
 
I completely agree with the above and will add that Cornell has an amazing record for both undergrad research and getting students into the best grad schools. Cambridge and Oxford are also great but from what I hear it is harder to do research as an undergrad in the UK.
 
Note that physics programs in the US and UK have quite different structures. In the US you would typically get a BSc and then apply for graduate school. Here in the UK the system is a quite a bit more complicated and there are several possible routes; but typically you would get an MSc (which takes 4 years) and them apply for a PhD position, either an "independent" position (usually 3 years) or at a CDT (4 years, the first year being an introductory year with courses etc).

Hence. you can't really compare Oxford and Cornell without thinking a bit about what you want to do afterwards.
 

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