Whether root should be positive or negative

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The discussion revolves around the determination of whether the square root in expressions involving inverse trigonometric functions, specifically ##\sin(\arccos x)## and ##\cos(\arcsin x)##, should be taken as positive or negative. Participants explore the implications of the ranges of the inverse functions and the conditions under which different signs may apply.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that ##\sin(\arccos x) = \pm \sqrt{1 - x^2}## and expresses uncertainty about which root to choose.
  • Another participant states that since ##0 \leq \arccos(x) \leq \pi##, the sine of this angle is always positive.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that for ##x > 0##, ##\arccos(x) < \pi/2##, leading to a positive sine, while for ##x < 0##, ##\arccos(x) > \pi/2##, which implies a negative sine. This participant questions how to handle cases where the sign of ##x## is unknown.
  • One participant mentions confusion regarding the antiderivative of ##\arcsin x## and the choice of the positive root in integral tables, questioning the rationale behind this choice.
  • Another participant emphasizes that there is no reliable rule for choosing the sign and suggests considering both signs until a contradiction arises, indicating that both may be valid for different values of ##x##.
  • It is noted that the arcsine function ranges from ##-\pi/2## to ##+\pi/2##, where the cosine is positive, suggesting that checking ranges can help determine the appropriate sign.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the choice of sign for the square root in these trigonometric contexts. Some assert that the sine is always positive within the defined range of ##\arccos##, while others argue that the sign depends on the value of ##x##. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a definitive rule for choosing the sign.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering the ranges of the inverse functions and the implications for the signs of the resulting expressions. There is an acknowledgment that the choice of sign may vary depending on the specific context or value of ##x##.

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I'm trying to find ##\sin (\arccos x)##. I let ##\theta = \arccos x## and then use ##\sin ^2 \theta + \cos ^2 \theta = 1##, I get ##\sin (\arccos x) = \pm \sqrt{1 - x^2}##. I'm not sure whether to take the positive or negative root. On Wolfram Alpha is shows that the result is the positive root, but I'm not sure why...
 
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##0 \leq \arccos(x) \leq \pi##, which means the sine of it is always positive.
 
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mfb said:
For x>0 you have arccos(x)<pi/2, which means the sine is positive. For x<0 you have arccos(x)>pi/2, which means the sine is negative.
Pick the sign depending on the sign of x.
What if I want a general expression and don't know the sign of x? For example, I am trying to find the antiderivative of ##\arcsin x##, and I found that ##\int \arcsin x dx = x \arcsin x + \cos (\arcsin x) + c##. So can I not simplify this further, since I don't know the sign of ##x## beforehand?
 
Forget that old post, I thought about cos instead of sin. I fixed it.

If you need a range where the sign changes then treat the cases separately. Or see where the expression comes from, sometimes the inverse functions are not even what you actually want.
 
mfb said:
Forget that old post, I thought about cos instead of sin. I fixed it.

If you need a range where the sign changes then treat the cases separately. Or see where the expression comes from, sometimes the inverse functions are not even what you actually want.
I'm still confused... On various tables of integrals I see that ##\int \arcsin x dx = x \arcsin x + \sqrt{1-x^2}+ c##, which means that ##\cos (\arcsin x) = \sqrt{1-x^2}##. I don't see why they're choosing the positive root over the negative root...
 
There is not reliable rule of which sign to use. You must always consider both and only rule one out when there is a step where it does not fit with other known facts. You may have to carry both along a long way and sometimes to the end. In that case, you need to check both answers in the original problem. Both may be correct. In fact, one sign may be correct for some values of x and the other may be correct for other values of x.

In the example of your post, arccos is formally defined to range from ##\pi## to 0 as x goes from -1 to 1. For those inputs, sin() is always positive. That rules out the final answer of the negative root for every value of x.
 
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The arcsine goes from -pi/2 to +pi/2, in this range the cosine is positive. Just check the ranges to see which sign is necessary.
 
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