Which Ball Lands First on the Moon?

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The discussion revolves around a thought experiment regarding the behavior of two balls, one wooden and one lead, dropped from a certain height on the Moon, where there is no air resistance. Participants explore the implications of mass, acceleration, and the Moon's gravitational influence on the two objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the lead ball would hit the ground first, suggesting a straightforward interpretation of the question.
  • Others challenge this view, arguing that both balls would accelerate towards the Moon at the same rate, regardless of their mass, due to the absence of air resistance.
  • A participant introduces the idea that the Moon's acceleration towards the balls would depend on their combined mass, complicating the scenario.
  • Further discussion includes the possibility of dropping the balls from opposite sides of the Moon, which could affect the timing of their landings due to the Moon's gravitational response.
  • Another participant suggests that even a small separation between the balls could lead to a difference in the Moon's acceleration towards each ball, potentially resulting in the lead ball landing first.
  • Considerations regarding the curvature of the Moon's orbit are mentioned as a factor that must be neglected or accounted for in this thought experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the outcome of the scenario and the factors influencing it.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of assumptions in the wording of the question, such as the initial positions of the balls and the effects of gravitational interactions, which remain unresolved.

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Which would hit the ground first if dropped from a certain height onto the moon, where there is no air resistance? A wooden ball 1 cm in radius, or a lead ball 1 cm in radius?
 
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Goongyae said:
Which would hit the ground first if dropped from a certain height onto the moon, where there is no air resistance? A wooden ball 1 cm in radius, or a lead ball 1 cm in radius?

What are your thoughts? Where is this question from?
 
Answer: the lead ball would hit first.

The moon's acceleration toward the lead ball would be greater than it would be toward the wooden ball. Thus the lead ball and the moon would collide in a shorter time.
 
Goongyae said:
Answer: the lead ball would hit first.

The moon's acceleration toward the lead ball would be greater than it would be toward the wooden ball. Thus the lead ball and the moon would collide in a shorter time.

Do you really need to go into so many considerations while solving a brainteaser?
 
ashishsinghal said:
Do you really need to go into so many considerations while solving a brainteaser?

Well I for one did not think of that angle. What do brainteasers mean to you?
 
Goongyae said:
Answer: the lead ball would hit first.

The moon's acceleration toward the lead ball would be greater than it would be toward the wooden ball. Thus the lead ball and the moon would collide in a shorter time.

Not with the way the question was worded.

Both the lead ball and the wooden ball would accelerate towards the Moon at the same rate. The Moon's acceleration towards the two balls would depend on the combined mass of the wooden ball and the lead ball. The Moon can only have one net acceleration for any given instant of time. If the two balls are moving towards the Moon at the same rate, then the Moon can't move faster towards the lead ball than the wooden ball.

Unless...

The two balls are dropped simultaneously from opposite sides of the Moon - something that wasn't specified and normally wouldn't be assumed from the original wording of the question. In the latter case, the Moon's net acceleration would be towards the lead ball and away from the wooden ball, meaning the Moon-lead ball collision would take place before the Moon-wooden ball collision.
 
BobG said:
Unless...

The two balls are dropped simultaneously from opposite sides of the Moon...
They don't have to be dropped from opposite sides. Any sufficiently large separation between the balls will result in the moon's acceleration vector pointing just a little bit more towards the lead ball than the wooden one. With a cow-shaped moon (i.e., perfectly spherical), you could drop the balls from arbitrarily close initial positions and "see" the lead ball land first.

PS: One must, of course, neglect the curvature of the moon's orbit for this experiment, or account for it carefully.
 

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