Which Calculus Book Will Give Me the True Understanding I'm Looking For?

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The forum discussion centers on the best calculus textbooks for achieving a deep understanding of the subject, specifically comparing "Calculus" by Tom Apostol and "Calculus" by Michael Spivak. Participants agree that both books are excellent, with Apostol being more rigorous and comprehensive, while Spivak is noted for its engaging writing style. Both texts cover AP Calculus AB and BC content, and users recommend doing all exercises for maximum benefit. Additionally, Richard Courant's "Differential and Integral Calculus" is mentioned as a valuable alternative, offering a more intuitive approach.

PREREQUISITES
  • Familiarity with AP Calculus AB and BC concepts
  • Understanding of mathematical proofs and theorems
  • Ability to solve calculus problems independently
  • Basic knowledge of calculus terminology and notation
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore "Calculus" by Tom Apostol for rigorous mathematical understanding
  • Read "Calculus" by Michael Spivak for an engaging narrative style
  • Investigate "Differential and Integral Calculus" by Richard Courant for intuitive insights
  • Practice solving exercises from each book to reinforce learning
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Students preparing for AP Calculus exams, educators seeking comprehensive calculus resources, and anyone aiming to deepen their mathematical understanding through rigorous study.

  • #31
anyone have any underground places where i can get a hardback copy of apostol cheap? lol
 
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  • #32
Hardback? Not a chance. They're at least 100 bucks each.

You can get a softback international copy for 1/4th the price. the link is at the previous page, I believe
 
  • #33
I got a hardback copy of Spivak's 3rd edition for about $38 Canadian from amazon.com but I suspect most places will try to sell you the more expensive 4th edition now.

I have seen pdf versions of both Spivak and Apostol floating around, but they are definitely not publisher-approved...
 
  • #34
Sankaku said:
I got a hardback copy of Spivak's 3rd edition for about $38 Canadian from amazon.com but I suspect most places will try to sell you the more expensive 4th edition now.

I have seen pdf versions of both Spivak and Apostol floating around, but they are definitely not publisher-approved...

I have PDFs of a lot of books. However, I am not a big fan of reading ebooks on your computer. I prefer having the actual book so I can take it wherever I want to go. I also get distracted easily when I'm in front of the computer :-p
 
  • #35
You know, computers nowadays are often connected with a printer, so you can convert digital text into paper with ink :-p
 
  • #36
Landau said:
You know, computers nowadays are often connected with a printer, so you can convert digital text into paper with ink :-p

yeah I'm going to print 600 pages of text off of my home printer :rolleyes:

no way man :-p
 
  • #37
Long live free printing at our university!
 
  • #38
Landau said:
Long live free printing at our university!

Well I'm not a college student :cry:
 
  • #39
Anyways, will Spivak's Calculus be an enough preparation for his Calculus on Manifolds?
 
  • #40
In the preface, Spivak says linear algebra and "a respectable first-year calculus course. So linear algebra + Spivak's Calculus would suffice, I presume.
 
  • #41
Here is a great quote (not me!) about Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds:

"...Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds, the terrifying little white book. When I took the course and was in the bookstore picking up the text, I felt a sense of trepidation as I looked at this tiny white paperback, only about 120 pages long, for a two semester course (26 weeks). That's less than a page a day, on average. And even putting aside the pages with problems on them, just the text pages can sometimes take a day each, if you're serious about understanding every (often omitted) detail. I don't actually mean it would take you the whole day to understand, but sufficient effort that you would feel like that was enough for one day. There are also sometimes errors in the book because the author was not being careful - easy to correct if you are at his level and pause for a moment to think about it, but sometimes daunting for a beginning student really trying to understand all the details...

When I took that course I breathed, slept and ate the Little White Book. I still remember approximately the pages and range of problem numbers in which to find particular results and particular problems, ten years later. I made sure to understand every detail of every proof, and to fill in everything that had been omitted, and to correct every error that I noticed. In this way I was able to do very well, and to really feel like I had achieved something."
 
  • #42
thrill3rnit3 said:
Anyways, will Spivak's Calculus be an enough preparation for his Calculus on Manifolds?

It will definitely be enough for the calculus, but I'm not for sure how much linear algebra he covers in the calculus book. So you might want to pick up some linear algebra before tackling his manifolds book. It is not an easy book as the exercises drive the book's worth, and there isn't much material to go off of.
Sankaku said:
When I took the course and was in the bookstore picking up the text, I felt a sense of trepidation as I looked at this tiny white paperback, only about 120 pages long, for a two semester course (26 weeks).

I somehow find this hard to believe. I wonder if it was a graduate or undergraduate level course or if it was an independent study type course. My graduate course in calculus on manifolds covered chapters 1-14 (minus 9 & 10) of Lee's Introduction to Smooth Manifolds, which amounts to around 300 pages of very dense material in a one-semester course. I also don't think it is normal with one page taking you an entire day to fill in the details.
 

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