Which Class Should I Take: Upper Division ODE or PDE?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for selecting between an Upper Division Ordinary Differential Equations (ODE) course and a Partial Differential Equations (PDE) course. Participants explore the content, perceived difficulty, educational value, and enjoyment associated with each course, considering their backgrounds in mathematics and interests in applied mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the ODE course is more rigorous and educational, covering topics like existence, uniqueness, stability, and chaotic dynamics.
  • Others argue that the PDE course may be less challenging, focusing on standard equations and numerical methods, which may not be widely applicable today.
  • A participant expresses enjoyment of ODE, indicating that it can be fun if one has an interest in calculus.
  • Another participant counters that ODE may not be enjoyable unless one has a strong interest in solving equations and mathematical theory.
  • Some participants differentiate between "cookbook" engineering ODE classes and proof-based ODE classes, stating that the latter can be more engaging and insightful.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance and applicability of the material covered in PDE courses, particularly in engineering contexts.
  • A participant shares their experience with an applied mathematics course for engineers, criticizing its outdated methods and lack of practical application compared to other courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the difficulty and enjoyment of ODE versus PDE courses. There is no consensus on which course is definitively harder or more educational, as views vary based on personal experiences and preferences.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the difficulty and structure of the courses may vary depending on the instructors and specific course outlines, which could influence their experiences and perceptions.

  • #31
To make this discussion more relevant to the topic, I'll pose a slightly different question: Given it's apparent usefulness in physics, should a physics student take a course in abstract algebra? I have taken two such courses, and found that the vast majority of the knowledge contained within does not (at least so far) seem to have been worth the effort. Student100's links point out that mathematician's aesthetic tastes and objectives are often quite unrelated to those of applied disciplines; much of my group theory course was spent on the development of tools to classify finite groups, for instance, a project which turns out to be not terribly useful to physicists or applied mathematicians*. Likewise, the course in general topology concentrated almost entirely on questions relevant to analysts; the only time it has cropped up in my graduate course on GR has been as an alternate (and significantly more laborious) method for solving a problem involving a finite dimensional periodic universe (you can solve the problem much more easily with a bit of intuition regarding flashlights ;) ). You've made the case that the mathematical objectives do produce, on occasion, useful results, but my concern is that the OP will be wasting her/his time sitting in a course which concentrates upon such objectives.

*From what I can tell.
 
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  • #32
Arsenic&Lace said:
Given it's apparent usefulness in physics, should a physics student take a course in abstract algebra?

The answer to this depends on your interests in physics and I can name physics professors with conflicting opinions on the matter. This seems to be a largely personal question that depends highly on individual tastes.

much of my group theory course was spent on the development of tools to classify finite groups, for instance, a project which turns out to be not terribly useful to physicists or applied mathematicians.

To be honest many facts about finite groups are even useless to mathematicians. While a first course in group theory usually focuses on finite groups, it should also emphasize things like recognizing group decompositions and group actions, both of which are useful elsewhere in mathematics and physics.

Likewise, the course in general topology concentrated almost entirely on questions relevant to analysts

General topology is more like a dictionary of terms anyway rather than a real field of study anymore, in my humble opinion at least. Some results in general topology are handy for global methods in GR, but someone like WannabeNewton would have to give you the details about that, since my GR background is comparatively weak.

You've made the case that the mathematical objectives do produce, on occasion, useful results, but my concern is that the OP will be wasting her/his time sitting in a course which concentrates upon such objectives.

This is definitely possible. I doubt that getting a better understanding of the mathematics would hurt anything, but it certainly might not help either.
 
  • #33
I've taken all the courses you are asking about and I happen to have a masters in Stats and currently working towards a PhD in statistics.

ODE, to me seems like you'll get the most out of, especially if you plan to eventually study SDE. (Stochastic Differential Equations.) A solid understanding of theory tends to be more important in such a course than methods. I've felt that a PDE course that doesn't require complex analysis is underwhelming. While, I think the subject is neat, you (or rather I) spent most of the semester learning to solve PDE that apply to Physics by hand and with some occasional theory thrown in. In the end, I felt I could've learned most of the techniques by simply reading the book on my own. Now removed from that course, I realize how more pointless it was since I've never had to solve a PDE by hand since the final for that course -_-. Nevertheless, I thought it was pretty cool at the time. As for chaos, it was neat to learn some new terms and see new techniques used, but overall, it was mostly a fulfill my curiosity type course.

Overall, go for the ODE, learning how to handle existence, uniqueness and stability is a good skill to have especially if you plan to take more advance courses that depend on ODE's. Once you can handle that, I have no doubt you will be able to read an intro to chaos or PDE book on your own and follow it rather easily.
 

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