Which Cup Shape is More Prone to Spilling?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of which coffee cup shape—cylindrical versus tapered bowl—is more prone to spilling when subjected to jolts. Participants explore the implications of cup shape on spill likelihood under various conditions, focusing on theoretical and conceptual aspects rather than experimental data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the likelihood of spilling may depend on whether the distance from the top edge or the volume of liquid in the cup is held constant.
  • One participant expresses a gut feeling that the cylindrical cup might experience less inertial buildup in the direction of a spill, while acknowledging that conservation of energy implies that forces will eventually support a spill.
  • Another participant proposes that the bowl shape might spill more easily because liquid flowing radially outward encounters a ramp rather than a wall.
  • There is a suggestion to model the problem using inelastic collisions to determine which shape has a larger upward component of reflection, with a guess that the curved cup is worse.
  • Clarification is made regarding the question of whether the discussion pertains to which cup tips over first or which spills with a jolt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which cup shape is more prone to spilling, and multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of cup shape on spill likelihood.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which spills occur, including the nature of the jolt and the initial positioning of the cups. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the modeling approach suggested.

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If you have 2 coffee cups of equal volume and composition, if one is a shaped like a sector of a cylinder and the other is shaped with a more tapered bowl shape, which is more likely to spill?
 
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Interesting question. It may depend on what you hold constant: distance from the top edge or volume of liquid in the cup.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
Interesting question. It may depend on what you hold constant: distance from the top edge or volume of liquid in the cup.

The volume (we had two cups of 8 oz volume and just different shapes).
 
hbj said:
If you have 2 coffee cups of equal volume and composition, if one is a shaped like a sector of a cylinder and the other is shaped with a more tapered bowl shape, which is more likely to spill?

Which one do you think and why?
 
My gut tells me that with the cylindrical one there'd be less inertial buildup in the direction of the spill because the forces would be more greatly diffused, but conservation of energy would say that in a round cup eventually those forces have to come around and support the spill. It would just happen later. That would give the spill vector energy time to dissipate.

It sort of "feels" like what's happening when you watch the cups though.

But that's completely a gut feeling of course.
 
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Any ideas smart people? :)
 
hbj said:
My gut tells me that with the cylindrical one there'd be less inertial buildup in the direction of the spill because the forces would be more greatly diffused, but conservation of energy would say that in a round cup eventually those forces have to come around and support the spill. It would just happen later. That would give the spill vector energy time to dissipate.

Perhaps I misunderstood your question. Are you asking which one will tip over first (and thus spill), or something else?
 
Oh sorry. No I meant given some arbitrary jolt to the cup (with the cup held perfectly parallel to the direction of gravity), which would spill first.
 
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Or to put it another way, which would spill with the least energetic jolt?
 
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No ideas, eh?
 
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You can probably crudely model this using inelastic collisions with some particle of arbitrary or random incidence, and computer on average which shape has a larger upward components of reflection. My guess is the curved cup is worse.
 
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hbj said:
No ideas, eh?

I'd guess the bowl shape, simply because any liquid trying to flow radially outwards doesn't encounter a wall, but a ramp.
 
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Interesting. Thanks!
 

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