Which Edition of Principia or Euclid's Elements Should I Choose?

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The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate edition of Newton's "Principia" or Euclid's "Elements," focusing on translation quality and readability. Participants express their preferences and experiences with various editions, as well as their motivations for reading these foundational texts in mathematics and physics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to read either book but requires a translated version due to a lack of Latin knowledge.
  • Another participant questions the motivation behind wanting to read these texts, suggesting curiosity and a passion for mathematics as possible reasons.
  • A participant mentions a specific edition of Newton's "Principia" that has been well-received, highlighting the need for a modern translation due to the archaic language of previous versions.
  • There is mention of an edition edited by Stephen Hawking, with uncertainty about its translation compared to Cohen's and Whitman's versions.
  • One participant shares their recent purchase of a specific edition and their intention to work through it during the semester, noting its good reviews.
  • Concerns are raised about potential confusion regarding the translation of the edition purchased, with a reviewer indicating it may not be the Cohen translation as advertised.
  • A participant recommends the Whitman/Cohen edition for its historical background and commentary, suggesting it aids in understanding Newton's work due to its different approach compared to modern teaching methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which edition is best, as there are multiple competing views regarding translation quality and the importance of historical context in understanding the texts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of edition descriptions on retail sites, and there is mention of the public domain status of the texts, allowing access to free PDFs, which may influence choices.

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I'm looking to start working through one of these books. I don't read latin, so clearly it would have to be translated. There are so many editions of these works that I am having a really difficult time deciding which to get. The amazon.com reviews for all of them are good.

I hope this is the proper section for this, I did not see any other book suggestion/review section. If I am wrong, I apologise.
 
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Just out of curiosity, why do you want to?
 
nicksauce said:
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to?
Curiosity and a passion for mathematics.
 
QuarkCharmer said:
I'm looking to start working through one of these books. I don't read latin, so clearly it would have to be translated. There are so many editions of these works that I am having a really difficult time deciding which to get. The amazon.com reviews for all of them are good.

I hope this is the proper section for this, I did not see any other book suggestion/review section. If I am wrong, I apologise.

if you mean Russell/Whitehead's Principia Mathematicae I've never heard of anyone who has actually read through it all. It might be funny to finally see the proof that 1+1=2 though. I've got this version of Newton's Principia
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520088177
& it's good. He & Whitman figured a new translation was necessary because the last one uses archaic 1700s english, which is at best hard to read. They spent a total of about 15 years on the translation & the guide to it, which is just about as long as the book itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._Bernard_Cohen

In my searching I found an edition edited by Stephen Hawking but I don't know much more about it except I don't think it's the same translation as Cohen's & Whitman's.
http://books.google.com/books?id=mlLAG5EUZqQC

euclid's elements
http://store.doverpublications.com/0486461181.html
 
QuarkCharmer said:
I did not see any other book suggestion/review section.

Take a look at the top of this page and see where I moved this thread. :smile:
 
This https://www.amazon.com/dp/1607962403/?tag=pfamazon01-20 just came in the mail yesterday. :)

I'm just starting college, and I plan to work through it this semester. I can't comment about the translation, but it did get pretty good reviews. Also, both of those books are public domain, so you can get the pdfs for free if you don't mind reading it on the computer screen.
 
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jtbell said:
Take a look at the top of this page and see where I moved this thread. :smile:

Ah, it was in Academic Guidance. I looked at all the subforums but I never figured it would be in there! :P Thanks.

I will take a look at those editions mentioned above, I was just wondering which one(s) most people were reading. Thank you
 
which one is that? One of the reviewers says the Amazon page says it's the Cohen translation but it actually isn't; it's a cheap reproduction of the Motte/Cajori translation. The cover picture says one thing, then the preview is a different one. Cohen's new translation is close to 1000 pages long. Get whichever version you want, but I just wonder if you noticed the confusion about which version that page linked to.
 
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fourier jr said:
which one is that? One of the reviewers says the Amazon page says it's the Cohen translation but it actually isn't; it's a cheap reproduction of the Motte/Cajori translation. The cover picture says one thing, then the preview is a different one. Cohen's new translation is close to 1000 pages long. Get whichever version you want, but I just wonder if you noticed the confusion about which version that page linked to.

I honestly didn't notice. I guess I'll figure it out when it gets here.
 
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I have the Whitman/Cohen edition of Newton's Principia. I haven't worked through it "seriously" yet, but I think it's worth the extra cost because half of it is historical background and commentary. Newton's language (even with the modernized translation) and geometrical approach are so different from the way we teach/learn classical mechanics nowadays that most people (certainly including me) need all the help they can get when reading it.
 

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