Which grows faster as x-> infinity? ln(x^2+4) or x-5?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the growth rates of the functions ln(x^2 + 4) and x - 5 as x approaches infinity. Participants explore the implications of applying L'Hôpital's rule in this context and the general principles of growth rates between logarithmic and polynomial functions.

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  • Participants discuss the application of L'Hôpital's rule, questioning its limitations and the conditions under which it can be applied. There are attempts to clarify why polynomial growth is considered to dominate logarithmic growth.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the growth rates of the functions involved. Some guidance is offered regarding the application of L'Hôpital's rule and the nature of growth comparisons, although there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to the problem.

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There is mention of imposed homework rules regarding the application of L'Hôpital's rule, as well as the need to consider the limits of functions in specific forms (0/0 or ∞/∞) when applying the rule.

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which grows faster as x--> infinity? ln(x^2+4) or x-5?

so using L'H rule i got lim as x-->infinity of [ln(x2+4)]/(x-5) = [2x/(x2+4)]/1 = 2x/(x2+4) then using L'H rule again i got 2/2x, then again i 0/2 = 0.

So, does that mean that x-5 grows faster? And why?
 
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You were actually only supposed to (and allowed to) apply L'hopital's rule once. It is obvious that 2x/(x^2 + 4) tends to 0 as x tends to infinity.

Well, polynomial growth dominates logarithmic growth. This should be clear in even the simplest case where you compare x and log(x).
 


why are you only allowed to apply L'H rule one time?
 


Actually in this case it did not matter, and L'Hopital's rule could be applied again. However, if the limit can be computed without L'Hopital's rule, it's sometimes better to do without L'Hopital since you may overlook the hypotheses and try to apply it again incorrectly (this is probably not a big problem on second thought since most people have the 0/0, inf/inf cases ingrained in their heads).
 


snipez90 said:
Actually in this case it did not matter, and L'Hopital's rule could be applied again. However, if the limit can be computed without L'Hopital's rule, it's sometimes better to do without L'Hopital since you may overlook the hypotheses and try to apply it again incorrectly (this is probably not a big problem on second thought since most people have the 0/0, inf/inf cases ingrained in their heads).

Doesn't the proof for l'Hospital's rule required the limit of f(x)/g(x) to be 0/0 or ∞/∞?
 


x-5 does indeed grow faster than ln(x^2+4). The reason is that an exponential function grows more rapidly than all polynomial functions (as x->inf).

Don't worry about the constants (-5 and 4) in the expressions, they are of no consequence. So, the comparison is x vs. ln(x^2)

Now let's compare x vs. ln(e^x) = x. They grow at the same speed. Since e^x grows faster than x^2, then ln(x^2) must grow slower than ln(e^x)=x.

An intuitive, and non-rigorous proof.
 

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