Which mass stars dominate the volume of ionized natal star forming material?

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The problem involves analyzing the initial mass function (IMF) of stars in a star-forming cloud and determining which mass stars contribute most significantly to the volume of ionized material. The discussion centers around the relationship between the mass of stars and the number of hydrogen Lyman continuum photons they produce.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the differentiation of the IMF and consider integration limits for calculating the total number of stars. There is discussion about how to relate the number of photons produced by stars to the number of stars of a given mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants have derived expressions for the total number of photons produced by stars of a given mass and are questioning the next steps in the analysis. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the problem can be solved using the provided integral formula, with no explicit consensus reached on the necessity of that approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential significance of the normalization constant in the context of mass units and express uncertainty about the relevance of the given formula involving gamma and Riemann zeta functions.

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Homework Statement



In a particular star forming cloud the initial mass function (IMF) is given by
N(M_{*})=Cexp(-M_*^2)
where C is a normalisation constant. (The IMF describes the initial relative number of stars of different masses). Assuming that the number of hydrogen Lyman continuum photons created by stars of different mass, N_{Lyc}=10^{34}M_*^{32} which mass stars dominate the volume of ionized natal star forming material?


Homework Equations



I've found this equation while I was searching for a lead:

N=\int_{m_1}^{m_2} dN=\int_{m_1}^{m_2} \frac{dN}{dm}dm

but I'm not sure what values to use as integration limits.

Also, the problem sheet gives the following formula (including gamma and Riemann zeta functions) which is probably useful at some point, though I don't know where or how.

\int_0^\infty x^n\frac{1}{exp(x)-1}dx=\zeta(n+1)\Gamma(n+1)

The Attempt at a Solution



My first step was differentiating the expression I was given to get
\frac{dN}{dM}=-2M_*Cexp(-M_*^2)
which looks like something similar to the first equation, and also hints at the formula given in the problem sheet.
But I'm really not sure where to go from here, and how to incorporate the value given for N_{Lyc}.
Any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Looking at the expression I got for \frac{dN}{dM}, and assuming we're integrating from zero to infinity, the integral looks like
-2C \int_0^{\infty}M_{*}\frac{1}{exp(M_{*}^2)}dM_{*}
which looks quite like the formula given,
\int_0^\infty x^n\frac{1}{exp(x)-1}dx
except for the -1 on the bottom.

Any ideas as to how to move forward?
 
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Hmm. Given a formula for the number of stars produced of a given mass M, and a formula for the number of (particular) photons produced by a star of a given mass M, what would be an expression for the total number of such photons produced by all stars of a given mass M?
 
Well, I'd say that would be
(Total number of photons produced by all stars of given mass M) = (Number of photons produced by a star of mass M) x (Number of stars of mass M).
Or in symbols
N_{ph-tot}(M_*)=N_{Lyc}(M_*)*N(M_*)
And that would give
N_{ph-tot}(M_*)=10^{34}CM_*^{32}exp(-M_*^2)

Is that right?

If so, what's the next step, as it is still not in the form of the given integral?
 
Piano man said:
Well, I'd say that would be
(Total number of photons produced by all stars of given mass M) = (Number of photons produced by a star of mass M) x (Number of stars of mass M).
Or in symbols
N_{ph-tot}(M_*)=N_{Lyc}(M_*)*N(M_*)
And that would give
N_{ph-tot}(M_*)=10^{34}CM_*^{32}exp(-M_*^2)

Is that right?

If so, what's the next step, as it is still not in the form of the given integral?

If that is an expression for the total number of photons as a function of M, I'd look for the M that gives that expression a maximum value... I wouldn't presuppose that the problem has to involve an integral that happens to appear on the problem sheet.
 
Okay, so differentiating and setting to zero gives
\frac{dN}{dM}=10^{34}C\frac{d}{dM}\left[M^{32}exp(-M^2)\right]=0
giving
32M^{31}exp(-M^2)=2M^{33}exp(-M^2)
which simplifies to
M=4

So how do I interpret that? It only really makes sense if it's in units of Msun..

While that method seems to make sense (and thanks for your help) it's quite unusual for a formula to appear that isn't necessary for the problem.

Could there be an alternative method that requires the use of the given formula?
 
Piano man said:
Okay, so differentiating and setting to zero gives
\frac{dN}{dM}=10^{34}C\frac{d}{dM}\left[M^{32}exp(-M^2)\right]=0
giving
32M^{31}exp(-M^2)=2M^{33}exp(-M^2)
which simplifies to
M=4

So how do I interpret that? It only really makes sense if it's in units of Msun..
Presumably the "normalisation constant", C, takes care of the mass units. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were to be chosen to produce units of Msun :wink:
While that method seems to make sense (and thanks for your help) it's quite unusual for a formula to appear that isn't necessary for the problem.

Could there be an alternative method that requires the use of the given formula?
Nothing springs to mind.
 
Thanks very much for your help :)
 

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