Which Observables Are Conserved in This Hamiltonian System?

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The discussion revolves around a Hamiltonian system describing a particle moving in three dimensions, with a focus on identifying conserved observables such as parity, energy, and components of angular momentum. Participants are tasked with analyzing the conservation of these observables and exploring the time rate of change of the expectation value of the y component of orbital angular momentum.

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  • The original poster attempts to determine whether various observables are conserved by analyzing the Hamiltonian and considering the implications of commutation relations. Questions arise about how to demonstrate conservation for energy and other observables, as well as the relevance of commutators.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of commutation and conservation in quantum mechanics. Some have provided insights into the implications of operators commuting with the Hamiltonian, while others seek clarification on textbook definitions and results. There is a recognition of the importance of these concepts, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or interpretations.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics, including the definitions of observables and the conditions under which they are conserved. There is mention of the need to reference textbook material for further clarification, indicating a reliance on established principles in the discussion.

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Homework Statement

A particle that moves in 3 dimensions has that Hamiltonian

[tex]H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)+\gamma*z[/tex] where [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\gamma[/tex] are real nonzero constant numbers.

a) For each of the following observables , state whether or why the observable is conserved: parity , [tex]\Pi[/tex]; energy [tex]H[/tex] ; the z component of orbital angular momentum , [tex]L_z[/tex] ; the x component of orbital angular momentum , [tex]L_x[/tex] , the z componetm of the linear momentum [tex]p_z[/tex]

b) Reduce the expression for the time rate of change of the expectation value of the y component of orbital angular momentum , [tex]d<L_y>/dt[/tex] , to the simplest possible form. Find the classical analog to the result.

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a) parity: [tex]\Pi \phi(r)=\phi(-r);[/tex] Have to show that H(r)=H(-r)

x -> -x
y-> -y
z -> -z

therefore , [tex]H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)+\gamma*z, H(-r)=] H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(-x)^2+(-y)^2+(-z)^2)+\gamma*(-z)=] H=p^2/2m+\alpha*(x^2+y^2+z^2)-\gamma*z[/tex]

observable for parity is not conserved since H(r) and H(-r) are not equal to each other.

For energy, I don't know how to show that the observable is observed, other than stating the Law of energy conservation, which I know that's not what you do; Same goes for the rest of the observables Should I take the commutator of : [H, L_z] , [H,L_x], [H,p_z]?

b) [tex]<L_y>=\varphi^2*L_ydy[/tex]. What do I set [tex]\varphi[/tex] equal to?
 
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What is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian?
 
kuruman said:
What is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian?

it equals zero
 
Yes, that is true, but there are other things that are also true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian. What are they? What does your textbook say?
 
kuruman said:
Yes, that is true, but there are other things that are also true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian. What are they? What does your textbook say?

[tex]\Pi*p^2[/tex]=[tex]-p*\Pi*p=p^2*\Pi[/tex]?

[tex]\Pi*r=-r*\Pi[/tex]
[tex]\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=-\varphi(r)[/tex] if [tex]\pi=+1[/tex], [tex]\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=\varphi(r)[/tex] if [tex]\pi=-1[/tex]
 
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noblegas said:
[tex]\Pi*p^2[/tex]=[tex]-p*\Pi*p=p^2*\Pi[/tex]?

[tex]\Pi*r=-r*\Pi[/tex]
[tex]\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=-\varphi(r)[/tex] if [tex]\pi=+1[/tex], [tex]\Pi*\varphi(r)=\varphi(-r)=\varphi(r)[/tex] if [tex]\pi=-1[/tex]

Is that what your textbook says?
 
kuruman said:
Is that what your textbook says?

yes. should I calculated the commutators I listed in my OP
 
Is there nothing in your textbook about what is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian? This is a rather important result in Quantum Mechanics.
 
kuruman said:
Is there nothing in your textbook about what is true when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian? This is a rather important result in Quantum Mechanics.

Sorry I don't know what else to say: When an operator commutes with a hamiltonian, [tex][H,\Pi]=0[/tex] My book says that [tex]H[/tex] and [tex]\Pi[/tex] are simultaneous eigenfunctions of [tex]H[/tex] and [tex]\Pi[/tex]
 
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Yes, when an operator commutes with the Hamiltonian the energy eigenfunctions are also eigenfunctions of the operator. That's the first thing. The second thing is that the observable represented by the operator is a constant of the motion, i.e. is conserved. Do you see what you ought to do now?
 

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