Which of the following are in R(T)?

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The problem involves a linear transformation T from R^4 to R^3, defined by a specific formula. The original poster seeks to determine which of several given vectors are in the range of this transformation, R(T).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the basis of R(T) through row reduction and considers linear combinations of basis vectors. They express uncertainty about their findings and seek clarification on their reasoning.
  • Some participants question the nature of the range of T and whether it encompasses all of R^3, while others clarify the dimensionality of the range and kernel of the transformation.
  • There is discussion about the validity of different bases for the same vector space and the implications of dimensionality in the context of linear transformations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and exploring different interpretations of the range of the transformation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the range and the relationship between the dimensions of the range and kernel.

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There is mention of a related textbook problem that provides a different basis for R(T), which raises questions about the uniqueness of bases in vector spaces. The original poster expresses confusion about the definitions and implications of the range and dimensionality of the transformation.

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Homework Statement



Let T: R^4 ---> R^3 be the linear transformation given by the formula:
T(x1, x2, x3, x4) = (4x1+x2-2x3-3x4, 2x1+x2+x3-4x4, 6x1-9x3+9x4)

Which of the following are in R(T)?

(a) (0,0,6)
(b) (1,3,0)
(c) (2,4,1)


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Not sure what this means.. please skip to attempt at a solution


The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried so many different ways, and it seems to me that all of these vectors are in R(T).

I tried finding the basis of R(T) by putting the coefficients into matrix (A), and row-reducing A to row echelon form, then noting the columns with the leading 1's in them, and matching them with the original A. So then I thought, all vectors in R(T) must be a linear combination of these 3 basis vectors and will satisfy r (4, 2, 6) + s (1, 1, 0) + t (-3, -4, 9) = (b1, b2, b3).

But all of them satisfy these conditions!

I also tried using the elementary vectors, or basis vectors for R^4.
I found the transformation images for:
T(1,0,0,0) = (4, 2, 6)
T(0,1,0,0) = (1, 1, 0)
T(0,0,1,0) = (-2, 1, -9)
T(0,0,0,1) = (-3, -4, 9)

Then I used the proposition that if the vectors span R^4, and it is a linear transformation, then T(vectors) span R(T).
I put the T(vectors) into a matrix and row-reduced. This gave me the 3 linearly independent vectors that are the basis of R(T) (or so I thought).
So then, all vectors in R(T) must be a linear combination of these vectors:

r (1, 1/2, 3/2) + s (0, 1, -3) + t (0, 0, 1) = (b1, b2, b3).

But all of those fit this formula!

A related question in the book actually does ask for the basis of the range, and since it is an odd-numbered problem, in the back, it gives this answer for a basis:

{(1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), (3/2, -4, 1)}

which is not what I got in either tries.

I bet you're shaking your head at how wrongly I did this problem. Please help clarify... thanks in advance.
 
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Essentially you are asked to determine if a set of equations has a solution.

For example, (0, 0, 6) is in R(T) if and only if there exist (x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4) such that T(x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4)= (4x_1+x_2-2x_3-3x_4, 2x_1+x_2+x_3-4x_4, 6x_1-9x_3+9x_4)= (0, 0, 6). In other words, if and only if the equations
4x_1+ x_2- 2x_3- 3x_4= 0
2x_1+ x_2+ x_3- 4x_4= 0
6x_1- 9x_3+ 9x_4= 6
have at least one solution

Your method, however, of finding a basis for the range space is perfectly good- and faster. I see that you got three vectors for the basis. That means they span all of R3 and so, not just these but any set of three numbers, (a, b, c), is in that range.

Of course, a single vector space has many different bases. The fact that you happen to get a different one from what the book gives is not a problem.
 
Thanks for the clarification. Is this a common range for T - the set of all real numbers? Is there any way to gauge if that is the case without row reducing a matrix?
 
The range of T, here, is NOT "the set of all real numbers". It is all of R3. T here is from R4 to R3.

In general, R(T), where T is from an n dimensional space to an m dimensional space is a subspace of dimension at most n. It is also true that dimension of R(T) plus the dimension of the kernel of T (the "rank" and "nullity" of T, respectively) must be equal to n. Here, T is from a 4 dimensional space to a 3 dimensional space so the rank is at most 3 and nullity at least 1. But it is possible for the rank to be smaller than that.
 
Thanks. I knew real numbers wasn't right.. but couldn't think of a way to describe R^3.. set of real vectors in three dimensions? But I think the correct way to describe it is the set of all ordered triples of real numbers.

Wanted to clarify one more thing. You said, "In general, R(T), where T is from an n dimensional space to an m dimensional space is a subspace of dimension at most n." Do you mean "at most m"?

Thank you very much for your help!
 

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