Which pair of elements is most apt to form an ionic compound

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on which pair of elements, nitrogen and hydrogen or barium and bromine, is more likely to form an ionic compound. Participants explore the concept through electronegativity and other chemical principles, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the difference in electronegativity is crucial for determining ionic character, noting that nitrogen and hydrogen have a difference of less than 1.7, while barium and bromine exceed this threshold.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of polarization, arguing that high charge density cations can distort anions, leading to covalent bonding rather than ionic bonding.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that other factors, such as atomic number and valence shell considerations, may influence the likelihood of forming ionic compounds, suggesting that hydrogen and nitrogen might be more apt despite electronegativity differences.
  • One participant clarifies that hydrogen bonding is an intermolecular force and does not constitute an actual bond, challenging the relevance of hydrogen bonding in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the factors influencing the formation of ionic compounds, particularly regarding the role of electronegativity versus other chemical properties. No consensus is reached on which pair of elements is more likely to form an ionic compound.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of ionic versus covalent bonding, as well as the role of intermolecular forces in the discussion.

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which pair of elements is most apt to form an ionic compound with each other? nitrogen and hydrogen or barium and bromine?

please explain
 
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one way to look at it involves electronegativity. For a bond to be ionic, difference in electronegativity should be greater than 1.7

electronegativity of N is 3.0, and that of hydrogen is 2.2
the difference is less than 1.7

electronegativity of barium is 0.89 and that of bromine is 2.96
the difference is more than 1.7, hence ionic.

more logically, the bond will depend on polarisation. This occurs when a high charge density cation distorts the electron cloud of a large anion. When polarisation occurs, there is sharing of electrons instead of transfer of electrons, hence a covalent bond.
 
While only looking at electronegativity, other trends come into play as well.
Bromine is atomic number 35, and Barium is 4.
Hydrogen is 1, and Nitrogen is 7. The valence shells around the hydrogen and nitrogen are a lot lesser. Hydrogen bonding is a very strong force. Despite the electronegativities, I believe that the Hydrogen and Nitrogen will be more apt to for an ionic compound.
(Don't count on me though, I'm only 16 and recently started AP Chem.
 
hydrogen bonding is an INTERMOLECULAR FORCE (even if we call it H-bond), it occurs between molecules, such as water or ammonia. it is in no way an actual bond.

actually electronegativity sums the atomic size. The fatter the atom, the smaller is the electronegativity and vice versa.
 
very good answers thank you everyone
 

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