Why 1/2 is Coefficient in CK Sum for Integrals

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The discussion centers on the role of the coefficient 1/2 in the context of the CK sum for integrals. Participants explore how changing this coefficient affects the sum and its relationship to the integral, noting that while the sum can be adjusted, it must still equal the integral. The choice of coefficient impacts the intermediate value selection, specifically regarding the telescoping nature of the sum. It is acknowledged that while other coefficients can yield a telescoping sum, they may not maintain the necessary conditions for intermediate values. Ultimately, the coefficient 2 is highlighted for its effectiveness in achieving these mathematical properties.
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Why specifically 1/2 is the coefficient in CK? the sum, basically, doesn't change except for the coefficient. i can choose it as i want.
I understand the sum must equal the integral but i guess that's not the reason

Homework Equations


Area under a curve as a sum:
$$S_n=f(c_1)\Delta x+f(c_2)\Delta x+...+f(c_n)\Delta x$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$f(c_1)\Delta x=\frac{x_k-x_{k-1}}{\frac{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}+\sqrt{x_k}}{2}}=...=2(\sqrt{x_k}-\sqrt{x_{k-1}})$$
$$S_n=2(\sqrt{x_1}-\sqrt{x_0}+\sqrt{x_2}-\sqrt{x_1}+...+\sqrt{x_n}-\sqrt{x_{n-1}})=2(\sqrt{x_n}-\sqrt{x_0})$$
 
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Karol said:

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Why specifically 1/2 is the coefficient in CK? the sum, basically, doesn't change except for the coefficient. i can choose it as i want.
I understand the sum must equal the integral but i guess that's not the reason

Homework Equations


Area under a curve as a sum:
$$S_n=f(c_1)\Delta x+f(c_2)\Delta x+...+f(c_n)\Delta x$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$f(c_1)\Delta x=\frac{x_k-x_{k-1}}{\frac{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}+\sqrt{x_k}}{2}}=...=2(\sqrt{x_k}-\sqrt{x_{k-1}})$$
$$S_n=2(\sqrt{x_1}-\sqrt{x_0}+\sqrt{x_2}-\sqrt{x_1}+...+\sqrt{x_n}-\sqrt{x_{n-1}})=2(\sqrt{x_{n-1}}-\sqrt{x_0})$$

##c_k## is supposed to be an intermediate value. That is, ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k}}} \le \frac{1}{\sqrt{c_k}} \le \frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}##. Can you check that that works for this choice of ##c_k##? Does it work if you change the coefficient?
 
Dick said:
Can you check that that works for this choice of ##~c_k##?
$$\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}=\frac{2}{2\sqrt{x_k}}<\frac{2}{\sqrt{x_k}+\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}<\frac{2}{2\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}$$
If i change the coefficient 2 into something greater or smaller then each time one side of the equation isn't right.
But there are many values on the graph between ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}~## and ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}##
 
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Karol said:
$$\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}=\frac{2}{2\sqrt{x_k}}<\frac{2}{\sqrt{x_k}+\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}<\frac{2}{2\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}$$
If i change the coefficient 2 into something greater or smaller then each time one side of the equation isn't right.
But there are many values on the graph between ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}~## and ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}##

Good. So you know ##c_k## is a good choice for an intermediate value. And sure, there are lots of other choices of ways to choose a ##c_k##, but this is the one that gives you that nice telescoping sum.
 
Dick said:
but this is the one that gives you that nice telescoping sum.
I myself can't prove that other coefficients fit between ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}~## and ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}~## but if i look only at ##~S_n=2(\sqrt{x_n}-\sqrt{x_0})~## then anything other than 2 will give the same basic Sn
 
Karol said:
I myself can't prove that other coefficients fit between ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_k}}~## and ##~\frac{1}{\sqrt{x_{k-1}}}~## but if i look only at ##~S_n=2(\sqrt{x_n}-\sqrt{x_0})~## then anything other than 2 will give the same basic Sn

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Yes, anything other than 2 will give you a telescoping sum. But choosing anything other than 2 will not necessarily give you intermediate values. Think what happens if the spacing between ##x_k## and ##x_{k-1}## becomes very small.
 
Thank you very much Dick
 

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