Why 80% of Americans Live East of This Line

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The discussion revolves around the geographic distribution of the population in the United States and Canada, particularly focusing on why a significant majority of Americans live east of a certain line. Participants explore factors such as population density, historical insights, and geographical features, while also touching on related trivia and humorous commentary about the Canadian-American border.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a video discussing population density, topography, orography, and rainfall as factors influencing where people live.
  • John Wesley Powell's insights into the development of the arid West are noted, with some arguing they were timely rather than ahead of their time.
  • Several participants observe that a large portion of the Canadian population also lives near the U.S. border, with estimates varying between 90% and 100 miles or 199 miles from the border.
  • Humorous comments are made about provoking Canadians, including jokes about statehood and cultural stereotypes.
  • Trivia about northernmost settlements in the contiguous U.S. and the unique access challenges to places like Juneau, Alaska, are shared.
  • There is a discussion about the linguistic implications of living east or west of any meridian, with some participants engaging in a playful debate about the definition of meridians.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement on various points, particularly regarding population statistics and geographic trivia. The discussion remains unresolved on several claims, with competing views presented without consensus.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions or assumptions about geographic boundaries and population distributions, which are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes playful banter that may not contribute to the main topic.

  • #31
Haborix said:
I'm sorry to crash this party, but all Americans leave east of any meridian. I'll see myself out...
I don't get it. :sorry:
Any line of longitude is a meridian.

So, it could be said that 'all Americans (indeed all humans) live to the east of some meridian' (much as we all live to the east of some city).
 
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  • #32
I stand by "any." :wink:
 
  • #33
Haborix said:
I'm sorry to crash this party, but all Americans live east of any meridian. I'll see myself out...
OK, but they also all live west of any meridian ...
 
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  • #34
gmax137 said:
OK, but they also all live west of any meridian ...
Equally true.
 
  • #35
gmax137 said:
OK, but they also all live west of any meridian ...
Call me a linguistic pedant.

"Any" meridian could be - since I get to choose it - 179W. I'll bet you do not live West of that Meridian.

Unless your argument is that anything, including, say, Grand Manan Island (44.7N,66.8W) is still "west" of the 179W meridian.
 
  • #36
DaveC426913 said:
When I took a cruise to Juneau Alaska, they told me there are is no land access to the state's capital.

There are three ways into Juneau: by water, by air and by birth canal.

yup was told the same thing when I visited there in 2019
 
  • #37
DaveC426913 said:
Call me a linguistic pedant.

"Any" meridian could be - since I get to choose it - 179W. I'll bet you do not live West of that Meridian.

Unless your argument is that anything, including, say, Grand Manan Island (44.7N,66.8W) is still "west" of the 179W meridian.

I think that is the argument. If you find yourself on the 179W meridian, travel due north to lat. 45; then head west (roughly towards Sakhalin Island). Keep going west and you will hit Grand Manan.

Silly? Maybe. Ask @Haborix
 
  • #38
gmax137 said:
I think that is the argument. If you find yourself on the 179W meridian, travel due north to lat. 45; then head west (roughly towards Sakhalin Island). Keep going west and you will hit Grand Manan.

Silly? Maybe. Ask @Haborix

To stop being obtuse (and/or silly), that is what I meant. I really only expected to elicit boos, not analysis.
 
  • #39
Haborix said:
I really only expected to elicit boos, not analysis.
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  • #40
DaveC426913 said:
Call me a linguistic pedant.

"Any" meridian could be - since I get to choose it - 179W. I'll bet you do not live West of that Meridian.

Unless your argument is that anything, including, say, Grand Manan Island (44.7N,66.8W) is still "west" of the 179W meridian.
I think I found the secret flat earther on PF.
 
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