Why Ampere is Not a SI Unit? A Brief Overview

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of the ampere within the International System of Units (SI), specifically questioning its status as a base unit versus a derived unit. Participants explore the definitions and practical implications of measuring current and charge, as well as the historical context of these definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the ampere is indeed a base unit in the SI system.
  • Others clarify that the ampere is defined in terms of the force between parallel conductors, rather than directly as coulombs per second.
  • It is noted that while current is considered a fundamental quantity in SI, charge is derived from it, with the relationship 1 C = 1 A * 1 s.
  • Some participants mention the practical challenges in measuring the ampere accurately, suggesting that it is often realized through other units like the volt and ohm.
  • A later reply discusses ongoing efforts in metrology to establish a more precise standard for current, which could redefine the ampere in terms of charge per second or time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the ampere should be classified as a base or derived unit, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the definitions and practical implications of these units.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the complexity of measuring current and charge, as well as the historical context of unit definitions that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Why ampere is not a S.I unit?
 
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The Ampere is even a base unit in the SI.
 
Sorry i posted the wrong question? I tried to say why Ampere is the basic/fundamental unit although it is derived from charge/time(columb/sec)
 
Did you try google?

An amp is defined in terms of the current required to achieve a certain force between parallel conductors. Not in terms of Coulomb per sec.
 
With the notable exception of the kilogram, the SI base units are defined in a way as to make the units independently observable. In SI terminology, the coulomb is a derived unit. The reason is that measuring an ampere is a considerably easier (and more precise) task than is measuring a coulomb.
 
In the SI unit system current is the fundamental quantity and charge is a derived quantity (1 C = 1 A * 1 s).

The reason is simply that current is easier to measure precisely than charge.

Edit: I see D H was faster than I was
 
DaleSpam said:
The reason is simply that current is easier to measure precisely than charge.

But it is still a very very difficult experiment if the accuracy is to be good enough. No one has -as far as I know- actually realized the Ampere this is way in quite a while (although I am sure there are a few old setups around).
In the "real world" the Ampere actually a derived unit, calculated from the realization of the Volt (Josephson effect) and the Ohm (quantum hall effect).
One of the big topics in metrology over the past few years has been to come up with a useful current standard, something that would allow us to define current in term of charges/second OR to realize the Ampere in terms of time, the latter would be useful since we can meaure time with higher accuracy than anything else (this is how the Volt is realzied. V=Kj*f, Kj being the Josephson constant adn f the frequency)
 

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