Why Are Infinite Concepts Misunderstood in Math Education?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and misunderstandings related to the concept of infinity in mathematics education, particularly in calculus. Participants explore the implications of teaching methods, the intuitive grasp of infinity, and historical perspectives on the concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over the prevalence of poorly framed math questions related to infinity, suggesting that educational practices contribute to misunderstandings.
  • One participant argues that the difference in calculus courses for engineering versus mathematics students leads to a lack of depth in understanding fundamental concepts.
  • Another participant contends that infinity is inherently a non-intuitive concept, which has historically challenged even accomplished mathematicians.
  • A participant questions the clarity of historical understanding of infinity among mathematicians, suggesting that it was not always straightforward.
  • Some participants draw parallels between the historical confusion surrounding infinity and the development of imaginary numbers, while others challenge this comparison.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of simplifying complex concepts in education, with calls for a clearer emphasis on foundational understanding before calculations.
  • One participant emphasizes that the notion of infinity as not finite has always been understood by mathematicians, although philosophical debates around it have existed.
  • Another participant highlights that intuition regarding infinity can develop with study, suggesting that laypersons often lack formal education on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of current educational practices and the intuitive nature of infinity. There is no consensus on the best approach to teaching these concepts or on the historical understanding of infinity among mathematicians.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the teaching of limits and infinity often lacks rigor, with some educational materials prioritizing practical computation over theoretical understanding. There is also mention of the subjective nature of intuition and how it can vary based on individual educational experiences.

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matt grime said:
Who said anything about justifying limits as 'approximate or subjective'? The fact that derivatives are used to linearize and approximate is what I was talking about and has nothing to do with what you think I said. Dont' get me wrong, I wish that maths were taught properly, but I don't think the problems you perceive are to do with poor understanding of the concepts by teachers. The course content is not decided by the teachers, or the mathematicians, but by the engineers who teach the output of the course. I think you're ascribing too much mathematical sophistication to the average student as well.

Further, I suggest you look up the space of dual numbers before saying much more.

This, also, makes little sense:

"as far as I know e^2 is a uniquely defined quantity that, being the limit of a strictly increasing positive sequence, is necessarily non-zero"

What limit of what strictly increasing sequence? e is just a symbol, and the ring of dual numbers is just the the ring k[e]/e^2. It is how algebraists do the algebraic version of differential geometry without taking limits which are usually meaningless in algebraic contexts.

I don't know what interpretation of e^x you are talking about and what meaning can be assigned to the statement e^2 = 0, but I don't think dual numbers have any relevance here. In the context of calculus, which we have been discussing here, e^2 is defined as the limit of a sequence of partial sums, and this limit is not 0.

I also don't think poor teaching is due to teachers not undersanding, it is due to them not teaching. I'm sure most teachers have a good understanding of what limits are, but as long as they are teaching wrong concepts to the students their internal knowledge is of little relevance.

I don't know why you are bringing engineers into this, I repeat that I'm not talking about engineering courses. It also has little to do with course content, I'm talking about teaching methods. As our chemistry teacher used to say, students lives are being destroyed because the lords of education are eternally afraid that too much stress will be placed upon the fragile minds of the students. The whole process is like trying to pull back the steering more to generat lift when the wing has already stalled: the situation goes from bad to worse.
 

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