Why are there no signs indicating prevention of rotation in this diagram?

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The discussion revolves around a diagram related to structural mechanics, specifically addressing the prevention of rotation about the y and z axes. The original poster questions the absence of signs indicating restrictions on rotation in the provided diagram.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of "sign of prevention of rotation" and discuss the implications of torques and forces in the context of equilibrium. Questions arise regarding the absence of moment restrictions about the y and z axes, with some participants expressing confusion over the representation of applied torques versus restrictions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the diagram's representation of forces and torques. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the applied torque and the interpretation of moment restrictions, but no consensus has been reached regarding the terminology or the diagram's implications.

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Participants note that the structure is understood to not rotate about the x, y, or z axes, yet there is confusion about the representation of this in the diagram. The discussion includes references to specific forces and torques, with some terms being questioned for clarity.

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in this diagram , we know that the whole thing wouldn't rotate about y and z axis , right ? why the sign of prevention of rotation are not shown there ?
i added green sign = prevent rotation in the z axis , red = prevent rotation in the y axis

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Not sure what you mean by "sign of prevention of rotation". You seem to have added torques, maybe opposing rotation at B and C. Is that what you mean, that you think there should be torques there for equilibrium?
 
haruspex said:
Not sure what you mean by "sign of prevention of rotation". You seem to have added torques, maybe opposing rotation at B and C. Is that what you mean, that you think there should be torques there for equilibrium?
I'm wondering why there are no moment restriction about y and z -axis ...
from the first sight , we know that the whole structure wouldn't turn in any direction , right ?
 
werson tan said:
I'm wondering why there are no moment restriction about y and z -axis ...
from the first sight , we know that the whole structure wouldn't turn in any direction , right ?
Yes, but that can be explained entirely in terms of the linear forces shown in the second diagram.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, but that can be explained entirely in terms of the linear forces shown in the second diagram.
Can you explain figure 2??
 
werson tan said:
Can yo

Can you explain figure 2??
What is it that puzzles you about it? It shows the linear forces at each of the three bearings, resolved into the coordinate axes.
 
haruspex said:
What is it that puzzles you about it? It shows the linear forces at each of the three bearings, resolved into the coordinate axes.
the whole structure can't rotate in x , y , and z direction right ? why the restriction of moment about y, and z axis are not shown ? only x direction(45Nm) is shown ...this puzzled me...
 
werson tan said:
the whole structure can't rotate in x , y , and z direction right ? why the restriction of moment about y, and z axis are not shown ? only x direction(45Nm) is shown ...this puzzled me...
The curved arrow around the x-axis is not a restriction of motion, it is an applied torque. Why would you expect symbols indicating a restriction of motion? I've never seen such.
Edit: do you mean reaction forces and torques?
 
haruspex said:
The curved arrow around the x-axis is not a restriction of motion, it is an applied torque. Why would you expect symbols indicating a restriction of motion? I've never seen such.
Edit: do you mean reaction forces and torques?
since the structure can't turn about x , y, and z axis ... so , there should be signs to indicate the moment restrictions about x , y and z axis , right ... just like this case...
 

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werson tan said:
since the structure can't turn about x , y, and z axis ... so , there should be signs to indicate the moment restrictions about x , y and z axis , right ... just like this case...
Those are not moment restrictions. The 200Nm is an applied torque. The MAx and MAz are unknown moments to be determined.
I have never seen a diagram in which 'moment restrictions' are indicated, and I'm not sure what the term would mean. Rotation about an axis is prevented by the moments of the forces. There is no deity edicting "thou shalt not turn".
 
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haruspex said:
Those are not moment restrictions. The 200Nm is an applied torque. The MAx and MAz are unknown moments to be determined.
I have never seen a diagram in which 'moment restrictions' are indicated, and I'm not sure what the term would mean. Rotation about an axis is prevented by the moments of the forces. There is no deity edicting "thou shalt not turn".
Ok!
 

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