Why are you allowed to do this?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of canceling in equations involving trigonometric functions. It is pointed out that dividing by an expression that may be zero is not allowed, and therefore canceling is only legal if the expression is known to be nonzero. The conversation also mentions that canceling can result in the loss of solutions in some cases.
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So if I have something like this..

[tex]rcos\theta =-r^{2}sin^{2}\theta[/tex]

I can cancel out one of the r to get

[tex]cos\theta = rsin^{2}\theta[/tex]

but how come when you have something like..

[tex]sin^2\theta = sin\theta[/tex]

and say you are trying to find the zeros of this equation, you can't just do

[tex]sin\theta = 1[/tex]

Is it because in the first example, we assume that r never = 0 so you can cancel it out where as in the [tex]sin\theta [/tex] example, it could be 0? Thanks.
 
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You are right -- you can never divide by an expression that may be zero, and cancelling is a form of division.

Incidentally, I would have said that both of those examples of cancelling are illegal. You can only do the first one if r is nonzero, but that is not generally true! It is, of course, legal whenever you do happen to know that r is nonzero -- for example, if you happen to split a problem into two cases, one where r is zero, and one where r is nonzero, then clearly in the second case, you'd be allowed to cancel an r.
 
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Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up! I forget that canceling is division! Silly me.
 
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Thanks for the fun example, motonoob101. You will have a quadratic equation with variable of cosine of theta:

[tex] \[
\begin{array}{l}
r\,\cos \theta + r^2 \,\sin ^2 \theta = 0 \\
r\,\cos \theta + r^2 \,(1 - \cos ^2 \theta ) = 0 \\
r\,\cos \theta + r^2 - r^2 \,\cos ^2 \theta = 0 \\
r^2 \cos ^2 \theta - r\,\cos \theta - r^2 = 0 \\
OR \\
\cos ^2 \theta - \frac{1}{r}\cos \theta - 1 = 0 \\
\end{array}
\]
[/tex]
 
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also note that in you first example you "loose" a solution when deviding with r, namely r = 0, just like you loose solutions when deviding by sin in the second example.
 
  • #6
"lose", not "loose".

(I don't know why that irks me so much more than other misspellings! Perhaps because "loose" is a perfectly good word, just the wrong one.)
 

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