Why artificial gravity is not possible?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and possibilities of creating artificial gravity in space, particularly for space stations. Participants explore various methods, including constant acceleration, centripetal acceleration through rotation, and the theoretical use of massive objects like black holes or strong magnetic fields. The conversation touches on both theoretical and practical aspects of these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that constant acceleration is impractical due to fuel limitations and the need for continuous thrust.
  • Others propose using centripetal acceleration through a rotating space station, noting the importance of finding a suitable radius and speed for human comfort.
  • One participant mentions the concept of using a massive object, such as a black hole, to create natural gravitational attraction, but acknowledges the challenges of moving such a mass.
  • Another participant discusses the mathematical requirements for generating artificial gravity, including necessary mass and density considerations based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of using black holes or other massive objects, suggesting that genetic modification or cybernetics may be more practical solutions for adapting to space environments.
  • There are discussions about the potential use of strong magnetic fields to simulate gravity, along with the associated risks of such an approach.
  • Several participants highlight the complexities and costs associated with building rotating sections in space, as well as the implications for microgravity experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for creating artificial gravity. Multiple competing views are presented, with some advocating for acceleration and rotation, while others question the practicality of these methods or propose alternative solutions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the feasibility of proposed methods, the dependence on specific definitions of artificial gravity, and the complexities involved in constructing and maintaining space stations with these technologies.

  • #151
Yes in this experiments wos wrote that it is possible anti gravity but I think
in futhute if I decresse mass I can icreasse to.

In attachmen I sent this article.

BTW knew you new about it.
 

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  • #152
jaiii said:
Yes in this experiments wos wrote that it is possible anti gravity but I think
in futhute if I decresse mass I can icreasse to.

In attachmen I sent this article.

BTW knew you new about it.

I didn't know about, but I did read the article. Honestly, it didn't satisfy me, so I googled one of the authors, and found a wikipedia article which led me to...
http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0603/0603033.pdf

Which is over my head in too many areas for me to comment. I can only speak from past experience in learning this material, that this appears to be a personal theory which someone is exploring. I know of know link between a magnetic moment, and gravity... or magnetism and gravity at all. One is, after all, a force, and the other is the geometry of spacetime.

I'm not going to make assumptions, but given the time that's passed without replication of results... eh... seems blue-sky to me.
 
  • #153
I agry ,but I heard there are more experimnts about it (Mr Podklentov for example) and thing it is future.

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  • #154
I was reading earlier posts... What are the cons of pseudo-gravity caused by rotation?
Such a craft can still accelerate along the rotation axis to move. An object rotating in space would spin indefinitely, making it the most energy efficient compared to counterrotating and continuous acceleration. A small craft need not be wheel shaped, it can have a counterweight on a cable for a kilometer or so (to provide 1 g without corolis affects the cable will be about 2 km long).
I'm under the impression that spinning stations and ships would be the best method for pseudo-gravity... if this is not true please explain why.
 
  • #155
FtlIsAwesome said:
I was reading earlier posts... What are the cons of pseudo-gravity caused by rotation?
Such a craft can still accelerate along the rotation axis to move. An object rotating in space would spin indefinitely, making it the most energy efficient compared to counterrotating and continuous acceleration. A small craft need not be wheel shaped, it can have a counterweight on a cable for a kilometer or so (to provide 1 g without corolis affects the cable will be about 2 km long).
I'm under the impression that spinning stations and ships would be the best method for pseudo-gravity... if this is not true please explain why.

One of the major drawbacks is the you have variable gravity in that situation unless you're talking about a gargantuan structure with large areas that are not inhabited. Meanwhile you still have people who can't cross the "wheel", unless they go through diminishing g until they hit the hub, then back up.
 
  • #156
Why have artificial gravity at all?

I would have thought that the benefits of freefall outweigh the drawbacks.

The question then would be addressing the drawbacks.

If muscle atrophy could be prevented through electro-stimulation during sleep or somesuch, what other drawbacks need to be addressed?
 
  • #157
Huttate said:
Why have artificial gravity at all?

I would have thought that the benefits of freefall outweigh the drawbacks.

The question then would be addressing the drawbacks.

If muscle atrophy could be prevented through electro-stimulation during sleep or somesuch, what other drawbacks need to be addressed?

It is an unnatural way to live. While freefall may be fine for highly-trained personnel on short-duration flights, eventually regular people will want to be able to do regular things (like, say eat their lunch some other way than from a squeeze bag). You can't train every single passenger for free-fall. You'll get broken arms, spilled liquids and free-floating safety hazards galore.
 

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