Why c=1 in relativistic equations

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The discussion centers on the use of the speed of light, c, set to 1 in relativistic equations, exploring its advantages, implications, and the concept of natural units in physics. Participants examine the dimensional analysis involved and the educational aspects of this approach.

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  • Some participants suggest that setting c=1 simplifies equations by reducing clutter, while others express concern about the lack of clarity regarding the implied powers of c.
  • There is mention of dimensional analysis as a method to understand the placement and power of c in equations, though some participants question how to perform this analysis without knowing where c appears.
  • One participant describes the practice in particle physics of rewriting units in terms of energy, c, and h_bar, emphasizing the convenience of eliminating these constants in formulas.
  • Another participant notes that using the same units for all components of a vector (such as time and space) eliminates the need for conversion constants, referencing its application in astronomy.
  • Some participants advocate for the use of Planck units, arguing that they eliminate the need to consider c, G, and h_bar, resulting in non-dimensionalized equations.
  • A later reply challenges the educational value of calculating c in different units, suggesting that the exercise may be trivial.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the necessity of dimensional analysis in the context of relativity and high-energy physics.

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Participants express a mix of views regarding the advantages and implications of using c=1 in equations. There is no consensus on the necessity or educational value of dimensional analysis or the exercise of calculating c in various units.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight limitations in understanding dimensional analysis without clear placement of c, as well as the potential for confusion when normalizing physical quantities against Planck units.

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As I see many Auhors present relativistic equations considering c=1. Has that certain advantages? Where from could I find out the power of c at the different points of the equation.
Thanks
 
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bernhard.rothenstein said:
Where from could I find out the power of c at the different points of the equation.
Thanks
Dimensional analysis...
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
As I see many Auhors present relativistic equations considering c=1. Has that certain advantages? Where from could I find out the power of c at the different points of the equation.
Thanks
The advantage is that it gives less clutter in the equations. But as you say you cannot read the implied powers of c when applicable.

I suppose for educational purposes it would be wise to include c.
 
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neutrino said:
Dimensional analysis...
Which dimensional analysis if I do not know where is c located?:smile:
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
Which dimensional analysis if I do not know where is c located?:smile:

for example in particle physics we rewrite all units in terms of energy and c and h_bar. And it is very nice to get rid of the c's and h_bar's when you do forumulas and so on. If you for example have:

cross section = konstant*(energy^(-2))

we know cross section has dimensions: area = length^2

and the konstant is alaways dimensionless.

so from basic relationships we write length as E times/divided by some c's and/or h_bar. Then we add the proper c's and h_bar's so we have equal on both sides of the equation. Then we do the numerical stuff..

The same holds for each branchs of physics that uses some kind of "natural units".
 
If all components fo a vector have the same unit, then there is no
conversion constant needed. Since t,x,y,z are four components of a vector,
using the same unit for each means no conversion constant is needed.
This is done in astronomy. I good exercise for students
"for educational purposes", is to ask them to calculate c in light years per year, using SI units.
 
to me, this is just as issue of what Natural Units (the variant of which that i prefer are Planck Units) are about and why they are used. if Planck units are used exclusively, there simply is no c to worry about where it is or what power it is. same for G and [itex]\hbar[/itex]. in fact, all equations of physical law become non-dimensionalized.

instead of

[tex]E = m c^2[/tex]

we have

[tex]E = m[/tex]

which is really a nondimensionalized way of saying

[tex]\frac{E}{E_P} = \frac{m}{m_P}[/tex].

we could normalize all expressions of physical quantity against their corresponding Planck unit and the have no dimensional analysis to worry about. all equations would be dimensionally correct. they might still be meaningless garbage, but dimensionally correct.
 
Meir Achuz said:
If all components fo a vector have the same unit, then there is no
conversion constant needed. Since t,x,y,z are four components of a vector,
using the same unit for each means no conversion constant is needed.
This is done in astronomy. I good exercise for students
"for educational purposes", is to ask them to calculate c in light years per year, using SI units.

what a silly exercise

[tex]c = \frac{1 light year}{60s \times 60s \times 24h \times 7d \times 52w} \times \frac{60s \times 60s \times 24h \times 7d \times 52w}{1 year} =1 \frac{light year}{year}[/tex]
 
The correct answer is "why bother?".
The same answer holds in all of relativity and in high energy physics.
 

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