Why can humans swim? (layman question)

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The discussion centers on the evolutionary basis for humans' ability to swim and dive, exploring biological, anatomical, and environmental factors that may have contributed to this capability. Participants examine the implications of human ancestry, the role of skin and body structure in water resistance, and the historical context of human interactions with aquatic environments.

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  • Some participants suggest that humans evolved from fish, implying that swimming abilities may be vestigial rather than specifically evolved traits.
  • Others argue that while humans may not have evolved specifically to swim, certain traits developed for different selective pressures could facilitate swimming.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability of human skin to prevent water entry under pressure, with some questioning how this evolved given the pressures experienced at depth.
  • One participant emphasizes that the human body is not rigid, suggesting that pressure may not be as significant a factor as initially thought.
  • Another participant discusses the relevance of pressure in terms of discomfort and the body's adaptation to it, noting that recreational divers experience significant pressure changes.
  • Some participants mention the presence of lakes and rivers in Africa, arguing that these environments could have influenced human evolution and swimming capabilities.
  • There are references to the mammalian diving reflex and its potential relevance to human swimming abilities.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the ability to swim is as incidental as the ability to drink from a straw, indicating skepticism about the evolutionary necessity of swimming.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the evolutionary aspects of swimming, with no clear consensus on whether swimming is a directly evolved trait or a byproduct of other adaptations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific evolutionary pressures that may have influenced swimming abilities in humans.

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Some participants note that the discussion involves complex interactions between evolutionary biology, anatomy, and environmental factors, with various assumptions about the relevance of pressure and the evolutionary history of humans. The implications of these factors remain open to interpretation.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring evolutionary biology, human anatomy, and the relationship between environmental factors and physical capabilities.

  • #31
adaptation said:
Human babies can swim. Generally if an animal can do something without learning how to do it, we call that an instinct. Instincts come from evolution. So does it not stand to reason that swimming, an instinct, evolved in humans?

Baby swimming:
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1940-01122-001
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en...dNwHFrjAuFyYWfx3ok#v=onepage&q=reflex&f=false


Your second reference specifically mentions reflexes. Like I have said, the existence of reflexes doesn't mean a natural affinity for swimming. The fact that we shiver in response to cold doesn't imply that our natural habitat is supposed to be far north.

Your first reference tells that voluntary swimming movements are only observed in babies more than two years old. Prior to that, all we have are reflex actions. However I would still like to have a look at the entire paper.

adaptation said:
You can google hundreds of baby swim programs in your area, thousands of videos of babies swimming, and millions of anecdotes on the subject.

I do not deny that babies can swim. What I find hard to believe is babies swimming without any training at all.

adaptation said:
This does not mean that humans naturally swim well...If a human is in the water, it will attempt to swim. This is instinct. In both cases, however, if the animal in question has not honed its skill in hunting/swimming, the end result is likely death.

Precisely my point.
 
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  • #32
Human babies cannot swim, it is something called a "dive reflex". This "dive reflex" is also responsible for infant deaths.

Until around 6 months, babies placed in water tummy-side down will move their arms and legs in a swimming motion. When the swimming reflex and the dive reflex are both engaged, a baby can look like a natural swimmer.

Cautions about babies in water

"These reflexes don't mean the baby can swim, though," says Wagener. What's more, they don't protect a baby from drowning. (In addition to the risk of drowning, it's dangerous for an infant to swallow large amounts of pool water.)

http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it...born-with-the-ability-to-swim-and_10313062.bc

Sudden infant death triggered by dive reflex

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770553/
 
  • #33
hmmm... to be perfectly honest, I think there is more than just ONE answer to this question. I think it has just as much to do with biology and sociology... I don't think there is just ONE answer :wink:
 

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