Why Can't We Compress Water but Can Compress Gas?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of why water cannot be compressed to the same extent as gases. Participants explore the properties of liquids versus gases, particularly focusing on molecular spacing and compressibility, while addressing misconceptions about the compressibility of water.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that water cannot be compressed, questioning the existence of space between molecules in liquids compared to gases.
  • Others explain that gases have significantly more space between their molecules, which contributes to their higher compressibility compared to liquids.
  • A participant raises a question about what exists between gas and liquid molecules, suggesting a need for clarification on molecular arrangement.
  • It is noted that while liquid water is compressible, it is only slightly so, referencing the bulk modulus of elasticity and conditions under which molecular spacing changes.
  • One participant emphasizes that liquids are not truly incompressible but are approximately so, suggesting that this approximation is useful in many contexts while acknowledging its limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the compressibility of water, with some asserting it is incompressible and others acknowledging its slight compressibility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and implications of water's compressibility compared to gases.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the bulk modulus of elasticity and conditions such as pressure and temperature that affect molecular spacing, but these concepts are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

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Excuse my ignorence here but as I understand you cannot compress water. Why not, is there not some space between any molecules, particularly following heating, that would allow compression? Assuming there isn`t then how is it we can compress a pure gas. Is the situation not the same?
 
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Gasses are not liquids. Indeed, it's the space between molecules that make the properties of one different from the other.

There is a lot of space between gas molecules compared to liquids. That's why gasses are much more compressible than liquids.
 
Yes, but what is between the gas molecules and for that matter the liquid ones? Are you saying that there is a vacuum and they only partially pack down?
 
Liquid water is compressible, just not a lot. See bulk modulus of elasticity.

As pressure decreases and/or temperature increases then there is more distance between the molecules.

In a hard vacuum like interstellar space there may only be one molecule per cubic centimeter.

Avogadro's Number of water molecules is ~18 grams, the molar volume.
 
Impulse2 said:
Excuse my ignorence here but as I understand you cannot compress water.

As Doug Huffman just said, your understanding is incorrect. Liquids are not truly incompressible, but they are nearly so, and assuming that they follow the idealized behavior makes solving many problems simpler without significantly affecting the results. So, they are "approximately" incompressible, but the approximation is a very good one.

Of course, there are likely situations in which the approximation breaks down. The trick is to recognize those situations, and avoid using the approximation there.
 

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