Why Did Temperatures Drop Despite Identical Sunny Skies?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of temperature differences between two consecutive sunny summer days, one at 30 degrees Celsius and the other at 20 degrees Celsius. Participants explore potential causes for this temperature drop despite similar weather conditions, including atmospheric influences and UV radiation considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that temperature differences may be influenced by jetstream and steering current patterns, which can bring different air masses from various regions.
  • Others propose that proximity to the ocean could affect temperatures, although some argue that 40 km is too far for significant sea breeze impacts.
  • There is a discussion on the UV index, with participants noting that it is primarily influenced by cloud cover rather than temperature, indicating that UV levels could be similar on both days despite the temperature difference.
  • One participant raises questions about the fundamental physics of temperature differences, suggesting that hot air oscillates quickly and inquiring about energy sources beyond solar radiation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that air movement and pressure systems can lead to different temperatures even under similar apparent weather conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between temperature and sun protection needs, with a distinction made between shaded areas and reflective surfaces like water and sand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the causes of temperature differences, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing the observed phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific geographic contexts, such as the influence of sea breezes and air mass characteristics, which may not apply universally. Additionally, the discussion includes unresolved questions about the sources of energy affecting air temperature.

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Suppose in summer, two consecutive days, the first was hot at 30 centigrade, the second at 20 centigrade. Both was cloudless in the afternoon. There haven't been any rain prior to the days nor after for about a week.

What caused the second day so much cooler then the first even though they looked identical. How would the UV radiation compare for both days. I assumed that since the second day was so much cooler, no sun protection was needed. Is that wrong?
 
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pivoxa15 said:
Suppose in summer, two consecutive days, the first was hot at 30 centigrade, the second at 20 centigrade. Both was cloudless in the afternoon. There haven't been any rain prior to the days nor after for about a week.

What caused the second day so much cooler then the first even though they looked identical.
Unless you live near the ocean, where a sea breeze can drastically drop temperatures from one day to the next, temperatures differences are largely due to jetstream and steering current patterns which move weather systems across the globe. Might be tropical air from the South on one day, and dry cool air from the North on another.
How would the UV radiation compare for both days. I assumed that since the second day was so much cooler, no sun protection was needed. Is that wrong?
yes, quite wrong. The UV index is calculated from a number of factors, the most important of which is the cloud cover. All other factors being equal, the cloudless days may yield the same UV index regardless of temperature. UV radiation in summer is highest around mid-day, when the sun is highest.
 
I live about 40km to an ocean so that might explain the temperture difference.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Unless you live near the ocean, where a sea breeze can drastically drop temperatures from one day to the next, temperatures differences are largely due to jetstream and steering current patterns which move weather systems across the globe. Might be tropical air from the South on one day, and dry cool air from the North on another. yes, quite wrong. The UV index is calculated from a number of factors, the most important of which is the cloud cover. All other factors being equal, the cloudless days may yield the same UV index regardless of temperature. UV radiation in summer is highest around mid-day, when the sun is highest.

What are the fundamentals? The temperture differences are due to different type of air. Hot temperture implies air that are oscilating very quickly. Vice versa for cool temperture. So the energy that allows oscilations in the air are from other sources other then the sun? What are the sources?
 
pivoxa15 said:
I live about 40km to an ocean so that might explain the temperture difference.
No, that's a bit too far for such a large temperature difference. Sea breezes are usually confined to within just a few kilometers of the coastline. The difference is likely due to e different air mass.
 
pivoxa15 said:
What are the fundamentals? The temperture differences are due to different type of air. Hot temperture implies air that are oscilating very quickly. Vice versa for cool temperture. So the energy that allows oscilations in the air are from other sources other then the sun? What are the sources?
Atnospheric/oceanic interactions, which influences the jetstream.
 
pivoxa15 said:
Suppose in summer, two consecutive days, the first was hot at 30 centigrade, the second at 20 centigrade. Both was cloudless in the afternoon. There haven't been any rain prior to the days nor after for about a week.

What caused the second day so much cooler then the first even though they looked identical. How would the UV radiation compare for both days. I assumed that since the second day was so much cooler, no sun protection was needed. Is that wrong?

Air moves. A lot. Check out the weather forecast on TV. Given the same conditions vis a vis cloud cover and rain etc, does not mean that the conditions are true for areas east, or west. A transition overnight from a low pressure zone to a high pressure zone (or vice versa?) could well give you the same apparent weather in terms of cloud cover and relative humidity, but completely different temperatures.

BTW. Sun protection has nothing to do with air temperature. It has to do with exposure to solar radiation. 20 degrees in the dense shaded woods means low sun protection needed relative to the days reading. 20 degrees same area at the beach means much more protection required. (reflection off the water and sand...)
 

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