Why Do a and b Need to be Related to c When an Ellipse Rolls on a Sine Curve?

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The discussion revolves around determining the relationship between the semi-axes of an ellipse (a and b) and the amplitude of a sine curve (c) when the ellipse rolls without slipping on the curve y = c sin(x/a). The correct relationship is established as b^2 = a^2 + c^2, derived from the requirement that the arclengths match over one period of the sine wave. The misconception that setting a = c and b = πa/2 would suffice is addressed, emphasizing that an ellipse does not perfectly fit within the sine curve's profile. The participants highlight that while the shapes may resemble each other, they do not align perfectly, leading to discrepancies in the expected results. Understanding the geometric properties of both shapes is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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an ellipse whose semi axes have lengths a and b rolls without slipping on the curve y =c sin (x/a), find the relationship between a, b, and c. Assume that the ellipse completes one revolution per period of the sine curve.

The answer is b^2 = a^2 + c^2 and you find it by requiring that the arclengths be the same for one period.

Why is it wrong to just require that a = c and b = pi a /2 ? That would seem natural to me because then one half of the ellipse would fit perfectly into one "hump" of the sine curve?

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An ellipse does not fit perfectly into a sine curve. I don't know what you are talking about.
 
My approach was to make the ellipse have minor axis equal to half the period of the sine curve and a semi-major axis equal to the amplitude of sine curve. All I want to know is why that approach produces ellipses that are different from the ones in the answer.
 
Because they don't fit. The profile of an ellipse only resembles a sine curve. It's not an exact match.
 
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