Why do Balloons filled with Air not fall at 9.6m/s/s?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of balloons filled with air, specifically questioning why they do not fall at the expected acceleration of 9.6 m/s², despite being filled with a gas that is denser than the surrounding air. Participants explore concepts of buoyancy, density, and terminal velocity in the context of gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a balloon filled with exhaled air, which contains carbon dioxide, should fall due to its higher density compared to surrounding air, questioning the role of buoyancy.
  • Another participant references Galileo's experiments with falling objects to illustrate concepts of gravity and resistance, although the relevance to the balloon's behavior is not directly established.
  • A different participant clarifies that exhaled breath is primarily nitrogen, similar to the surrounding air, which may affect buoyancy considerations.
  • One participant notes that the weight difference between the balloon's contents and the surrounding air is minimal, and the balloon's large surface area contributes to its terminal velocity being low.
  • A later reply acknowledges the concept of terminal velocity as a key factor in understanding the balloon's behavior, indicating a shift in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of density and buoyancy, with some asserting that the balloon should fall while others provide counterarguments related to the composition of exhaled air and terminal velocity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the primary reasons for the balloon's behavior.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the composition of exhaled air and its effect on buoyancy that are not fully explored. The discussion also touches on the concept of terminal velocity without a detailed mathematical framework.

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I've been racking my brain to figure this one out, I really don't understand it.

If you fill a balloon with air from your lungs, just manually blow it up, it should be carbon dioxide, no?

Density of Carbon Dioxide at Sea Level: 1.977 g/L
Density of Air at Sea Level: 1.2 g/L

So it's heavier. I know I'm pulling these numbers out of seemingly nowhere, but I'm sure someone can verify they are accurate.


So why on Earth would a balloon filled with a gas heavier than the surrounding gas in it's environment not drop at the normal speed. Aren't I right to think that bouyancy only takes effect when the gas inside the balloon is at least a bit lighter?

Or is there some critical property I'm missing?

Please enlighten me, thank you.
 
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If you fill a balloon up with your breath it would be mostly nitrogen just like the air you breathed in.

Also, with a density so close to that of the air it is prone to the slightest disturbances from the air.
 
Salbris said:
I've been racking my brain to figure this one out, I really don't understand it.

If you fill a balloon with air from your lungs, just manually blow it up, it should be carbon dioxide, no?

Density of Carbon Dioxide at Sea Level: 1.977 g/L
Density of Air at Sea Level: 1.2 g/L

So it's heavier. I know I'm pulling these numbers out of seemingly nowhere, but I'm sure someone can verify they are accurate.


So why on Earth would a balloon filled with a gas heavier than the surrounding gas in it's environment not drop at the normal speed. Aren't I right to think that bouyancy only takes effect when the gas inside the balloon is at least a bit lighter?

Or is there some critical property I'm missing?

Please enlighten me, thank you.
1] As pointed out, your exhaled breath is almost exactly the same as the air. It has an extra 5% CO2 and is shy by the same amount of oxygen.

2] You've got a volume of air, that weighs maybe a gram or two more than the surrounding air, but it has a giant surface area. It's terminal velocity is on the order of a few feet per second.
 
DaveC426913 said:
1] As pointed out, your exhaled breath is almost exactly the same as the air. It has an extra 5% CO2 and is shy by the same amount of oxygen.

2] You've got a volume of air, that weighs maybe a gram or two more than the surrounding air, but it has a giant surface area. It's terminal velocity is on the order of a few feet per second.

Ahh, Terminal Velocity. Now that makes sense. :)

Thanks for pointing that out.
 

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