Why do completely inelastic collision have MAXIMUM energy loss?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy loss in completely inelastic collisions, specifically questioning why such collisions are characterized by maximum energy loss. Participants explore the relationship between energy loss and momentum conservation, as well as the nature of energy transformation during collisions.

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  • One participant questions how to prove that maximum energy loss occurs in perfectly inelastic collisions while conserving momentum, expressing a desire for clarification.
  • Another participant suggests that in a head-on collision with a stationary center of mass, the minimum kinetic energy after the collision is zero, which corresponds to a perfectly inelastic collision.
  • A different viewpoint describes the collision as a two-phase process, where the first phase involves deformation and potential energy storage, while the second phase involves restitution, with inelastic collisions resulting in maximal energy loss as none of the energy is stored as potential energy.
  • Some participants note that while inelastic collisions may lead to maximum kinetic energy loss, some energy could be stored in the bodies as "locked in" stresses and strains from plastic deformation, complicating the notion of energy loss.
  • There is an acknowledgment that energy is conserved in total, regardless of the type of collision, but the focus remains on the mechanical energy loss in inelastic collisions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of energy loss in inelastic collisions, with some asserting that maximum energy loss occurs while others highlight the potential for energy to be stored in deformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of energy transformation and storage in these collisions.

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Some assumptions about energy storage and transformation during collisions are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of energy conservation across different forms.

MathewsMD
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When following solutions like this link: http://physics.about.com/od/physicsmtop/g/PerfectlyInelasticCollision.htm
I understand that energy is lost, but it doesn't necessarily show that this is MAXIMUM energy loss, just that there is energy lost. How would you go about proving that more energy cannot be lost, as long as momentum is conserved (no net external force)?
I honestly feel like I'm just missing something here, so any clarification on the matter would be much appreciated!
 
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Hi MathewsMD! :smile:

Suppose two objects collide head-on so that their centre of mass was stationary before the collision.

Clearly the minimum KE afterwards is zero (because zero is possible, and < zero isn't! :wink:).

Zero corresponds to the two bodies sticking together, ie a perfectly inelastic collision.

Now transform into any other frame of reference.
 
In addition to tiny-tim's version, You may also think of a collision as a two-phase process:

In phase 1, their relative velocity at the contact point goes to zero, the objects deforming to maximal extent (and gaining maximal potential energy, as in two springs).

In phase 2, the RESTITUTION phase, the potential energy associated with deformation is switched back into kinetic energy, to a CERTAIN DEGREE. For fully elastic collisions, ALL energy converted from kinetic in phase 1 was contained in potential energy, and thus for full restitution, energy is always conserved.

INELASTIC collisions may be thought of as the extreme case where NONE of the energy going into deformation was stored in potential energy (it dissipates as heat instead); i.e, you experience maximal energy loss.
 
arildno said:
INELASTIC collisions may be thought of as the extreme case where NONE of the energy going into deformation was stored in potential energy (it dissipates as heat instead); i.e, you experience maximal energy loss.

That is a bit over-simplified. Some of the energy may be stored permanently in the bodies without being converted to heat - for example, as "locked in" stresses and strains resulting from plastic deformation of the bodies.

The key point is that none of the internal energy is transferred back into KE which corresponds to rigid body motion of the objects, i.e. "you experience maximal kinetic energy loss."

Of course if you account for all forms of energy, the energy is conserved whatever type of collision occurs.
 
AlephZero said:
That is a bit over-simplified. Some of the energy may be stored permanently in the bodies without being converted to heat - for example, as "locked in" stresses and strains resulting from plastic deformation of the bodies.

The key point is that none of the internal energy is transferred back into KE which corresponds to rigid body motion of the objects, i.e. "you experience maximal kinetic energy loss."

Of course if you account for all forms of energy, the energy is conserved whatever type of collision occurs.
Sure it is oversimplified.
I cut out the mechanical energy loss from the generation of sound waves as well.
The point is that there is no potential energy storage in the idealized inelastic collision, thus meaning there will be a net loss of mechanical energy in the system, whatever type of other forms of energy the initial kinetic energy is converted into.
 

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