Why do I have to multiply by -1 when simplifying (sometimes)

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The problem involves solving for the variable s in the equation -4su + 7t + 9u + 2 = 6t + 4u - 9. Participants are discussing the simplification process and the implications of multiplying by -1 in the context of algebraic manipulation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the need to multiply by -1, questioning whether the original poster's answer is incorrect and discussing the conventions of simplifying expressions, particularly regarding the treatment of negative signs in numerators and denominators.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants clarifying that the original poster's answer is equivalent to the given answer despite different appearances. There is an exploration of the conventions in mathematical simplification, particularly the preference for avoiding negative signs in denominators.

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Participants are navigating the conventions of algebraic simplification, particularly in relation to how negative signs are handled in fractions. There is an acknowledgment of differing perspectives on what constitutes a simpler form.

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Homework Statement



Solve for s:
[tex]-4su+7t+9u+2=6t+4u-9[/tex]

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My answer:
[tex]s = \frac{-t-5u-11}{-4u}[/tex]
The given answer:
[tex]s=\frac{t+5u+11}{4u}[/tex]
I know that the right hand side has been multiplied by -1, but this raises some questions in my mind; Why do I have to do this, is my answer wrong and why isn't the left hand side also multiplied by -1?
Thanks for your help...
 
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They haven't multiplied anything by -1. They factored -1 out from both the numerator and denominator and canceled it. Your answer is equivalent, but it's pretty typical to not leave any minus signs in denominators when simplifying.
 
Ah. So that explains why the left-hand side is left untouched. It looks like the right hand side has been multiplied by -1 and that is how I've heard it explained before - but what you say makes more sense!
So I wasn't actually wrong as such, just not following convention.
Thank you.
 
Jherek said:
Ah. So that explains why the left-hand side is left untouched. It looks like the right hand side has been multiplied by -1 and that is how I've heard it explained before
I suspect that what you were told is that on the right-hand side "we can multiply both "top" and "bottom" by -1[/color]". This is equivalent, if you think about it, to multiplying by 1 since (-1)/(-1) = 1. And when anything is multiplied by 1 you don't change its value. Hence, the left-hand side remains unchanged when you multiply the right-hand side by 1. (Remember, -1/-1 = 1)
 
After all, which is simpler, [itex]\displaystyle \frac{\,-3}{\,-4}[/itex] or [itex]\displaystyle \frac{3}{4}\ ?[/itex]
 
Well, I have to say that to me, they both look equally as simple! Especially if we were in the habit of writing [tex]\frac{+3}{+4}[/tex] which we don't so I'll just have to go along with what's expected!
 

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