Why Do Land Animals Have Denser Bones Than Sea Animals?

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The discussion explores the differences in bone density between land animals and sea animals, particularly focusing on the implications of pressure and gravity in their respective environments. Participants examine the reasons behind the apparent counterintuitive observation that land animals have denser bones despite the higher pressure experienced by sea animals at greater depths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while underwater pressure is greater, land animals have denser bones to withstand the effects of gravity, which they find counterintuitive.
  • Another participant clarifies that submarines are filled with air, which is at low pressure, and that bones and fish bodies are not subject to the same crushing forces due to the continuous nature of fluids underwater.
  • A different participant suggests that bones serve to support animals against uneven forces, particularly gravity, while water pressure is evenly distributed, reducing the need for bones to counteract it.
  • One participant points out that many aquatic animals do not have skeletons, indicating that the musculoskeletal system evolved primarily for movement rather than for dealing with pressure.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between pressure, gravity, and bone density, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the role of pressure and gravity in bone density, as well as the evolutionary development of skeletal structures in aquatic versus terrestrial environments. Some points raised depend on specific definitions of pressure and force.

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Given the greater pressure underwater, i.e. at the bottom of the ocean, to survive there youd think that those animals would have stronger/denser bones, but we find that land animals have denser bones to withstand the higher net weight (gravity).

But that seems counter intuitive because underwater the pressure is much higher at lower depths (like in the movies when submarines start to creak and get crushed under the pressure).

So what's the deal? I know its a pressure vs force distinction but I am having trouble seeing it.
 
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Submarines are filled with air at low pressure. Bones and fish bodies aren't. So there is nothing for the pressure to push against to crush. If there were, human divers wouldn't be able to dive more than a few feet!

So the fluids are continuous and the pressures are equal, so nothing to push against.

[edit] Actually, even worse, when lying in bed it would feel like you'd have 10,000 lb of weights stacked on top of you due to the air pressure!
 
Bones are used to support an animal against uneven forces (among other things), like having to stand up against gravity. Water pressure is evenly distributed so bones don't have to do any work against it.
 
Hereformore said:
Given the greater pressure underwater, i.e. at the bottom of the ocean, to survive there youd think that those animals would have stronger/denser bones
You do realize that there are aquatic animals, which don't have any skeletons? In fact, as life developed in water none of it had skeletons. The musculo-skelettal system developed mainly to enable certain types of movement.
 
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